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26 Dec 2008, 4:16 pm

IF only we could mind-meld with animals to find out what they're thinking. :lol:



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26 Dec 2008, 5:35 pm

Food, company, play, hunting, dominance. I wonder what form their thoughts would take. Pictures? Smells (for dogs), sounds?


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26 Dec 2008, 6:01 pm

It is intelligence who gave you:

- internet
- clothes
- modern (and enven non-modern) medicine
- warm in the winter and refrigeration in the summer
- machines

etc.

Without inteligence, allmost all of us will have died in the first years of life (and possibly will have be a painful death, from hungry or disease).

The problem is that you are thinking only "what is the importance of my intelligence to my happiness?", instead of thinking about "what is the importance of human intelligence to the general happiness of humans?"



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26 Dec 2008, 6:59 pm

I think it depends on what definition of intelligence is used.
If it's 'the gathering of information' then that is probably not as important as some people
make out.
If however it's defined as 'understanding,intellect' than that is more important,especially the
understanding part that's related also to emotional intelligence.


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26 Dec 2008, 7:28 pm

From my perspective it seems as it if the word intelligence is being confused with the word knowledge. You can be realtively unintelligent and still be quite knowledgable as history testifies. I think it's best to re-evaluate the original question to get to the bottom of what it is that you're asking.


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26 Dec 2008, 7:55 pm

I think the importance of one's intelligence is really based on how it's used.

An intelligent person who breaks new ground with innovations, interesting insights, original observations or works of art, in my opinion, is an invaluable individual. If someone is able to utilize their intelligence in a productive way then they're worth their weight in gold.


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26 Dec 2008, 7:59 pm

Apes in Oklahoma are creating original works or art that are selling for a lot of money. That isn't a good criteria.
Some intelligent people invented the atomic bomb. Some think that was a good use of brain power but I think their endeavors could have been better directed.
There have been intelligent writers and then there have been knowledgable writers. You make the distinction.


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26 Dec 2008, 8:23 pm

garyww wrote:
Apes in Oklahoma are creating original works or art that are selling for a lot of money. That isn't a good criteria.


I think his name was Jackson Pollock. ;)


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26 Dec 2008, 10:08 pm

UnusualSuspect wrote:
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For me (~my subjective perception) intelligence has or is a spectrum. Some have more like mathematical intelligence, analytical, some more social intelligence, some maybe more musical int., some are more intelligent to pick up languages, commercial, artistic, games or sports, etc.. I don't know how many categories to make but one is more intelligent in one field and a bit less maybe in an other.


Peace be to all worshippers of Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences, but these are talents. Intelligence refers to IQ and the ability to think abstractly.

Intelligence is handicapped if other talents are missing, but the people who most favor the idea that it isn't important probably need some way to compensate for their own lack.


Ther are only EIGHT IQs!! !! !! About 3 aren't really measurable, and generally aren't measured. About 4 are DISTINCTLY different areas! The last one is a COMPOSITE of the 4. When people speak of IQ, they usually speak of that composite. And they AREN'T really abstract. The areas facilitate abstract thought. I guess the spatial ones where you have to detect patterns DO kind of confirm a level of abstract thought, but that could have been taught, and thus not abstract, and failing could be a deficiency somewhere else.



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26 Dec 2008, 10:10 pm

garyww wrote:
There have been intelligent writers and then there have been knowledgable writers. You make the distinction.


It's a tringle. There's intelligence, knowledge and wisdom.


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26 Dec 2008, 10:21 pm

I beg to differ abou the abstract.
Intelligence is knowing what questions to ask.
Wisdom is knowing when to ask them.
Knowledge is the result of the effort taken, not necessarily in the answer to the question ifself.


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26 Dec 2008, 11:49 pm

garyww wrote:
I beg to differ abou the abstract.
Intelligence is knowing what questions to ask.
Wisdom is knowing when to ask them.
Knowledge is the result of the effort taken, not necessarily in the answer to the question ifself.


NOPE!

Knowledge is information.
Wisdom is being able to apply it.
Intelligence is applying it correctly.

ALL requires knowledge, and intelligence requires wisdom, but knowledge doesn't require wisdom at all. Computers have LOTS of knowledge, but no real intelligence or wisdom.



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27 Dec 2008, 12:00 am

i agree 110%, intelligence is completely worthless. i have high intelligence but i suck at everything else and that = i have a worthless life



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27 Dec 2008, 12:21 am

When I look at successful people around me, even if there is one dominating trait, the key seems to be knowing what to pull out when. You can be the smartest person in the world but if you can't communicate it properly, no one will ever know or care.

Everyone thinks that beautiful people have it easy, but truly, if all you have going is looks you're not going to go far. You have to know when to flirt, how to flirt, how to tell which people won't respond. If one is beautiful but not too bright, it is very easy to be taken advantage of.

Athletic ability...will get you success for a short time, if you are extremely lucky and in the top 0.5%. But if you don't have any intelligence to go with it, the million-dollar salary is wasted and you end up with a heart attack at 50 because you haven't changed your training routine since high school.

There is so much more to intelligence than simply being smart. I can memorize all the figures you want, calculate quick mathematical equations in my head, make logical connections that take some time to explain to most. But I also have a need to be right all the time, inevitably get interested in stuff that no one around me cares about, and can be difficult to be around.

That doesn't mean my knowledge is worthless, it just means that there is more than one personality trait necessary for happiness. Happy people I know come in all different flavors - some are smart, some are compassionate, some are funny, some know just how to dress, some know how to make anyone feel good. Are any of those traits worthless?



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27 Dec 2008, 1:53 am

zen_mistress wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
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Intelligence governs one's ability to utilize all of these traits to the best of their ability. So yes, it is important.


I dont know about that. My (mother's) dog has a pretty low IQ but she is a genius at creating fun, happiness and making others laugh and being generally great company.


You can't compare dog-mind with human-mind.


Yes you can.


I often compare most people to dogs and myself to cats. I think dogs are popular pets because they share similar motivations of most people. I usually can tell a lot about a person when I find out they are dog people or cat people, and I get along better with cat people.



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27 Dec 2008, 1:57 am

Well, I know my dog is a helluva lot smarter than I am.