DEBATING with Curebies: Tips and how are my ideas doing

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I cured Autism, I just never got around to posting it on the Warsienet.

The cure is comformity to an ideal, all we have to do is chose an ideal male and female, judge everyone by that standard, and get rid of those who are different.

I think you misunderstand this. The reason I (and probably many more) think about abortions and genocide when the word "cure" is mentioned, is because this is the only feasible cure. You cannot cure brainwiring or behavioral preferences. The curebie scientists are also preparing tests for screening autism (and thus preparing for mass abortions). These tests are useless for other types of cures. To create real cures you need to understand how autistic traits operate, and I see no research in this area.

There is research in that area. The catch is though is that the same research that discovers how autistic traits operate is the same research that allows for prenatal screening. You can't have one without the other. In order to understand how the traits work you first need to know which traits are involved. And once you know which traits are involved you can screen for them because you don't need to know how they operate, just that they're involved in order to screen for them. So screening always comes before cures.

The only people who think that abortions are cures are the anti-cure folks. No one else thinks screenings and abortions when they say "cure".

Could you give some references?



No, it is not. It is not necesary to develop multigenetic testing methods to understand how autistic traits operate. It is in fact totally useless, since we know almost nothing about how DNA affects behavior.

Instead, in order to understand a particular trait you need to follow this procedure:

1. Identify related traits.
2. Build clusters of traits with high linkage and probable similar background
3. Identify possible DNA-sequences for trait clusters.
4. Invent possible genetic intervention that change the trait clusters in a wanted direction.

Not even the first point has been addressed, much less 2-4.



Oh yes you can. The current procedure is the same as trying to find a common "cure" for MR, given that such do not exist because there are many reasons for MR. You get nowhere with such approach, and the only thing you can hope to achieve is some murky test that could remove MR/Autism from the genome, while also sacrificing people with autistic traits.



Absolutely, and you do this with behavioral tests, not DNA tests, because as I wrote above, we have absolutely no idea how DNA affects behavior. All you will have is a multigenetic test that could be used for abortions, with no further relevance as the genetic differences are not understood. Additionally, since the current definition of ASDs is linked to most traits that are part of human variation, the genetics of human variation will be part of the genetic background found for ASDs, and thus will also be aborted.



Screening for human diversity is not looking for cures, it is to develop genocidal tests.

I don't think there is much to gain by arguing. People who are ignorant, mean-spirited,and/or hard-headed will likley stay that way no matter what anyone says. Discussion on the other hand is a different story. In my experience when I've been willing to listen, most people are more receptive to what I have to say as well. No one autistic person can speak for everyone,of course, but it does help to put a face where there would otherwise be only media images.

That's how I work, anyway:connecting with the individual

Science is aware of many ways in which genes affect behavior actually. For example, genes that code for various neurotransmitter and hormone receptors. You really don't give neuroscience enough credit.

Anyway, I'm done with this since you and I already spent quite awhile arguing in the last cure thread and what I learned is that there's no changing your belief that the search to find a cure is the NT way of trying to kill off the superior aspie race.

I should have said ;debating'

Three years of debate team experience and I mess that up.

meant the same thing..

Ah,of course. The old dance of semantics. Well, in that case it boosts my morale considerably to see there are people who know the difference between debating and arguments. On-line shouting matches that degenerate into both parties destroying their credibility by calling each other ret*ds never accomplished anything. But looking back at your posts knowing you were debating, that'll help me give you better feedback.Thanks for clearing that up.