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04 Jan 2009, 4:22 am

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What exactly is it talking about when it says "odd physical symptoms"?

Are you referring to this question?
26. - When involved in difficult or turbulent relationships, I sometimes develop confusing physical symptoms.

If so, I believe they are basically talking about psychosomatic illness. That is, developing physical symptoms that are the result of mental or emotional conditions rather than some actual sickness or physiological ailment.


i think this is a good question for the test.

if one is involved in a difficult relationship, no AS and presumably non Alexithymics will proceed to discuss , talk identify problems and resolve outstanding issues.

people with AS may tend to internalise their anxiety if there is co-morbid alexithmia then there may be no possibility of being able to discuss or identify constant relationship problems and rather than resolve issues there may be a tendency for a high level of anxiety that can result in stress, and the resultant physical manisfestations of clinical signs asssociated with stress
for example insomnia, nad skin probles, weight loss, taking up smoiking weight gain, depression etc.

the inability to identify and discuss emotional problems may lead to vague physical signs of distress.


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04 Jan 2009, 4:48 am

I got 139, but when I ook up the symptoms on the internet, I read people with alexithymea have a bad or weak imagination and fantasy. I'm in the contrary of that, I have more fantasy and imagination than all people I know. I do have a other traits of it, like the slight ability to describe emotions, but the difficulty to describe them detailed.


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04 Jan 2009, 6:02 am

Result: 123

I show high alexithymic traits.



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04 Jan 2009, 7:20 am

Result: 92

You show few to no Alexithymia traits.

With a lot of the questions unanswered.



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04 Jan 2009, 7:44 am

56.

I do not have Alexithymia, but I have one trait resembling it:

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2. difficulty describing feelings to other people


I know what I feel, but I'm incapable of describing it to others in words.


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04 Jan 2009, 8:33 am

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Not news to me, my psychotherapist had to give up on having me describe my feelings - she even gave me a paper with emotion words so that I could reference it.

Alexithymia runs in my both my father's and mother's families.

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04 Jan 2009, 8:40 am

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04 Jan 2009, 8:41 am

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177


You win, Daniel. Top score is 180something.

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04 Jan 2009, 8:48 am

Not sure if 'win' is the right word :lol:

I got 112; some traits. However, the more I think about it, the more certain I am that I don't have it. I generally know when I'm sad and happy, and can discuss it with other people. Actually, I don't think about emotions much at all.


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04 Jan 2009, 10:17 am

109. Possible traits.

I don't think I have this disorder after reading the description, it doesn't really fit me. A lot of "undecied" answer though...



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04 Jan 2009, 10:29 am

Alexithymia is a strange construct. The person who originated the term has expressed misgivings about it.

It literally translates to "without words for feelings", It isn't defined as a disorder per se, but rather a trait that people have to various degrees. There were a lot of bad studies showing alexithymia was correlated to all sorts of mental disorders; however they mostly derive from clinical populations - people who were already messed up. If you researched red-heads in an inpatient hospital, you would find lots of depression and schizophrenia correlated with red-headedness.

Verbal expression is not necessarily meaningful, especially for feelings.
When people attempt this, they often end up simply babbling in circles about the people and events which induced the feelings. This sort of verbal excorcism is the therapists Favorite Thing (at the rate of $100/hr), but doesn't come naturally to everyone, especially males.

And it doesn't necessarily help.

A recent study challenged the notion that talking about feelings helps resolve them; it found just the opposite - the more people talked and talked the worse off they were.
Talking Out Trauma: Not Always a Help

It seems to me that the construct of alex. is an attempt to pathologize those with differing - and possibly superior - modes of expression. How would you verbalize the exhaltation of beethoven's ninth? The morning sun of Monet's garden?

Should you try?

To me, alexithymia is not a disorder, it is a misguided belief which seeks to pathologize any dissent from it.



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04 Jan 2009, 11:06 am

VMSnith,

Evidently it is difficult for you to put yourself into the mind of someone who has difficulty understanding and regulating emotions. The construct is about more than just not having words for feelings.

Imagine how difficult it would be to make a decision if you often don't know what you are feeling.

Imagine how difficult it would be to have a romantic relationship if you can't easily access your emotions.

Imagine the anxiety that would be produced if you couldn't distinguish between how you feel emotionally, and how you feel physically. Are you excited or are you sick?

Imagine how you would respond if intimacy brought on nausea, not comfort.

If you can imagine those things, then you might have an idea what alexithymia is all about.

I don't feel that the construct of alexithymia pathologizes a mode of expression, for me it helps me to understand myself so I can work on being more effective with expression.

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04 Jan 2009, 11:22 am

Result: 74
Non-alexithymia: You show few to no alexithymic traits

Showing the right emotion is my only problem. I have no problem feeling my emotion and feeling others' emotions.


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04 Jan 2009, 2:07 pm

VMSnith wrote:
Alexithymia is a strange construct. The person who originated the term has expressed misgivings about it.

It literally translates to "without words for feelings", It isn't defined as a disorder per se, but rather a trait that people have to various degrees. There were a lot of bad studies showing alexithymia was correlated to all sorts of mental disorders; however they mostly derive from clinical populations - people who were already messed up. If you researched red-heads in an inpatient hospital, you would find lots of depression and schizophrenia correlated with red-headedness.

Verbal expression is not necessarily meaningful, especially for feelings.
When people attempt this, they often end up simply babbling in circles about the people and events which induced the feelings. This sort of verbal excorcism is the therapists Favorite Thing (at the rate of $100/hr), but doesn't come naturally to everyone, especially males.

And it doesn't necessarily help.

A recent study challenged the notion that talking about feelings helps resolve them; it found just the opposite - the more people talked and talked the worse off they were.
Talking Out Trauma: Not Always a Help

It seems to me that the construct of alex. is an attempt to pathologize those with differing - and possibly superior - modes of expression. How would you verbalize the exhaltation of beethoven's ninth? The morning sun of Monet's garden?

Should you try?

To me, alexithymia is not a disorder, it is a misguided belief which seeks to pathologize any dissent from it.


Alexithymia is real but that questionnaire is way too ambiguous to be reliable. It assumes everyone thinks about emotions the same way.

I can identify my emotions in terms of a fixed set of words such as "happy", "sad", "nervous", "angry", etc. but I usually feel these words are inadequate. I could describe emotions as most people do in terms of the circumstances that cause them but I’ve found that I often differ from the norm in how my emotions respond to circumstances. The only way I can qualify and be more precise is to describe the accompanying physical sensations. Yet I don't think therapists and average people are as aware of thier own internal sensations as I am and thus they get confused when I try to describe it that way.



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04 Jan 2009, 2:31 pm

marshall wrote:
I can identify my emotions in terms of a fixed set of words such as "happy", "sad", "nervous", "angry", etc. but I usually feel these words are inadequate. I could describe emotions as most people do in terms of the circumstances that cause them but I’ve found that I often differ from the norm in how my emotions respond to circumstances. The only way I can qualify and be more precise is to describe the accompanying physical sensations. Yet I don't think therapists and average people are as aware of thier own internal sensations as I am and thus they get confused when I try to describe it that way.


I generally don't use words to describe my emotions, it is just too difficult.



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04 Jan 2009, 4:04 pm

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My score was 151. I've read about Alexithymia before and I think I have some mild symptoms.
I cannot express my emotions very well, or even at all.
I know when I'm happy, angry or sad but most of the time I would describe myself as neutral.


I can relate to this. I pretty much feel the same way, perhaps to the point of feeling more tired, energized or 'in-between.' I also get the 'fight-or-flight' response (albeit occasionally), which, I believe, is what NT's call 'nervous,' but I associate it more with not knowing how to react in a situation.

Anyhow, I scored 149, but the results might be a bit spurious, since emotions are so alien to me that I had trouble even understanding some of the emotive language in some of the questions.