Aspergers and Popularity in childhood and adolescence.

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were you popular or respected in childhood?
yes 24%  24%  [ 23 ]
no 76%  76%  [ 72 ]
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04 Jan 2009, 10:06 pm

I was not popular.
Even amongst the odd-outcast-misfit crowd I was bottom of the totem pole most times.
It always seemed like I had very little to offer in terms of making friends or becoming popular.
People kept me around if they felt like they could use me to some end.

I was not respected.
Despite high achievement in academics, my personality and social shortcomings always undercut any feelings of pride or prestige. Other people saw me as an anxious nerd with no self-esteem. It's hard to respect someone who is reclusive and feeling bad about themselves.

I had a therapist once tell me that I was, "a reluctant leader."; that I had leadership traits and desires, but also had a number of issues that kept me from getting to that place. At the time, I identified with this statement. I felt like no one understood just how good of a person I was... if they could only just know me beyond all the social/emotional haywire.

These days, understanding so much more about who I am, and how I am....
I'm not sure how much of a "leader" I seek to be. Every time I've tried to assert myself in that manner, I've been rebuffed, hurt, and put down. I seem to do tremendously better in life if I find a calm and quiet niche and then faithfully, patiently, and simply... exist.


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04 Jan 2009, 10:30 pm

I was popular in school, but only in my circles of friends/groups. I was a professional trombonist by the 9th grade, so I was always quite popular in the band---and our band had around 90 some in it in a high school of under 500 students. I was also in the Honor Society, bowling and golf teams. In bowling I had the high average in the entire county high school league all four years I was in high school---so I was popular (and hated by some) in bowling. I did not communicate with the jock crowd, and I did not date any girls at my school. My first date ever was January of my senior year when a blind date was arranged for me and a girl from another school---seven years later we married and we now have two sons.

The kids at my school always liked my car which I got when I turned sixteen in November of 1980---a 1977 custom/modified yellow Mustang with a reinforced T-top in excellent condition that had been used on a drag strip circuit. Even though I never drove the car this fast, it could go 200 mph. I took my driver's test in that car and it liked to scared me to death---just barely touching the accelerator caused the car to peel out. The driving tester knew the car because he knew the previous owner who had raced it. My best friend made a comment to me once about when I would eventually sell the car---I told him I would never sell it. He bet that I would someday. Well, I am 44 years old, and the car still sits in my garage. It is still in excellent condition. In 1989 it had 64,000 miles on it. Today, in 2009, it has 65,000 miles on it. I get it out about once a month at the most.

I guess I brought the car up because in many ways, it boosted my confidence in school. Besides music and bowling, it became my signature. People saw the car---they knew it was me. And the car is quite loud too. About a couple years ago I got the car out and my family rode in it to eat at one of our favorite restaurants nearby. As we were getting ready to leave, a man comes running up to us. It was the guy who had owned the car originally (the restaurant is in the town where he lives). He couldn't believe the car was still around---and almost the same condition it was when it was new. He said after getting rid of it, he had driven around trying to find it to buy it back because he had regretted selling it. He asked that if I ever decided to sell it, that he wanted to buy it back. I have no plans of selling it---it was/and is/ part of my signature---it helped me be popular. Hey, an Aspie guy needs all the help he can get. Well, we didn't know of Asperger's in the United States then did we?



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04 Jan 2009, 10:49 pm

I was never very popular but for most of primary school i was the leader among my friends because they usually met through me and spent a lot of time at my place. Just before high school my friends from school realised i wasn't cool in the highschool way and traded up and my mates from other schools i only really got to see online because we'd all discovered online games (half-life, good times....). Eventually found a place in the outcast group but even then all of them were far more extroverted despite being the 'out-crowd' and hard to keep up with because they didn't care about their grades or whether they ruined their lives. Come HSC they kept it amongst themselves a bit to keep from dragging me down and ruining my grades. They were dickheads but they cared about me, took years to find more people like that at uni.



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04 Jan 2009, 11:04 pm

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I was popular in school, but only in my circles of friends/groups. I was a professional trombonist by the 9th grade, so I was always quite popular in the band---and our band had around 90 some in it in a high school of under 500 students. I was also in the Honor Society, bowling and golf teams. In bowling I had the high average in the entire county high school league all four years I was in high school---so I was popular (and hated by some) in bowling. I did not communicate with the jock crowd, and I did not date any girls at my school. My first date ever was January of my senior year when a blind date was arranged for me and a girl from another school---seven years later we married and we now have two sons.

The kids at my school always liked my car which I got when I turned sixteen in November of 1980---a 1977 custom/modified yellow Mustang with a reinforced T-top in excellent condition that had been used on a drag strip circuit. Even though I never drove the car this fast, it could go 200 mph. I took my driver's test in that car and it liked to scared me to death---just barely touching the accelerator caused the car to peel out. The driving tester knew the car because he knew the previous owner who had raced it. My best friend made a comment to me once about when I would eventually sell the car---I told him I would never sell it. He bet that I would someday. Well, I am 44 years old, and the car still sits in my garage. It is still in excellent condition. In 1989 it had 64,000 miles on it. Today, in 2009, it has 65,000 miles on it. I get it out about once a month at the most.

I guess I brought the car up because in many ways, it boosted my confidence in school. Besides music and bowling, it became my signature. People saw the car---they knew it was me. And the car is quite loud too. About a couple years ago I got the car out and my family rode in it to eat at one of our favorite restaurants nearby. As we were getting ready to leave, a man comes running up to us. It was the guy who had owned the car originally (the restaurant is in the town where he lives). He couldn't believe the car was still around---and almost the same condition it was when it was new. He said after getting rid of it, he had driven around trying to find it to buy it back because he had regretted selling it. He asked that if I ever decided to sell it, that he wanted to buy it back. I have no plans of selling it---it was/and is/ part of my signature---it helped me be popular. Hey, an Aspie guy needs all the help he can get. Well, we didn't know of Asperger's in the United States then did we?


i relate to elements of this, glider18.



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05 Jan 2009, 12:15 am

When I was young I respected by my classmates
because of my intellegence, even leadership, but
I NEVER have a true friend, so I always left alone.
Then when I went to high school, I became extremely
shy, and no one respect me anymore.



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05 Jan 2009, 7:46 am

I can't vote because I was both yes and no depending on my age.

In pre-school through about second or third grade, I was the most popular person in class. Everyone did what I wanted, everyone listened to me, everyone told me their biggest secrets, and I was the person to hang out with and play with (apparently I always came up with the best pretend games lol).

In fourth grade, all of that went right downhill. That's when everyone started getting into things like MTV and Britney Spears and stuff, while I basically cared less at the time. This was back in 1999, if anyone cares.

From that moment, school became hell. I was harrassed at least ten times more than anyone I know. It got to the point where I would just lose it instantly and I'm sure I was going insane for years from it all.

In twelfth grade, I moved to my third high school and my popularity all of a sudden jumped right back up to the top. I was that school's "rich girl" and therefore, everyone wanted to hang out with me. And whatever I liked, as weird as it may be, everyone else got into it, too. I was the person everyone idolized there. (Yes, there actually have been people that have been obsessed with me! lol) I thought it was a really nice turn-around from having gone through so many years of pure torture. If anyone deserved to have it all there, it was definitely me.

So, as you see, I've been on the extreme ends of both yes and no. Wow, my life is weird! lol



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05 Jan 2009, 9:52 am

millie wrote:
so, i am particularly interested to hear of the last poster's experience where he had an advantage in a similar way.


Well, I don't know if I have AS (both in ASQ and AQ my ratings are higher than the expected for a NT, but lower than the expected for an aspie), then i am not a good example.

And, reading the other posts, I begin to suspect that my "popularity" was similar to what other members will call "unpopularity" - having a small group of friends (a typical "childhood secret club"), being respected and influent within the group and have little connection (positive or negative) with outside society (in my case, our interaction with the "global society" of the school where when was a fight between our class and the class of the other room - when thes occur, our group joined with the other groups of the class against the "common enemy"). It was the kind of school where the kids spend much of the playground time, not in the playground of the school, but in the fields and the streets nearby (it was a small village of fishermen and factory workers), what I suspect that was also good for someone who prefers small groups to large groups.

When, at 10 y.o., I was to "junior high"/5th grade, it was the disaster: after few days all kids started to making fun of me. Probably it was because I allmost did not talk with anybody and was almost always alone , but about what I will talk to people that I barely knew? (and, after the others begin to tease me, what was only an unconsious tendency to stay alone becomes a conscious tendency).

When I change of school again, at 15 y.o. (to 10th grade), my popularity becomes good for my standards (probably remained bad for the standards of many people): I find a small group of friends, and we spended our time playing games, discussing politics (I had - and have - very radical views...), etc. (basically, the tipical "nerd" pastimes) and more or less ignored by the rest of the world (for me, this is Heaven on Earth, but other people could think differly). Probably my relative rise in popularity in my new school was also because I decided to change a bit my "social style", and begin pretending to be more social and talkative that I really was (I don't know if you understand what I am saying - perhaps my English is a bit confuse).

However, there is a point that perhaps is peculiar in my childhood/adolscence story: even in my 10-14 years, I think that I was never "excluded" (even the bullying/teasing that I sufferend in these ages, was more "forced inclusion" than "exclusion").



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05 Jan 2009, 10:23 am

Extroverted, popular but never respected.

In kindergarten and elementary school age, I was pretty much unaware of the children. So no idea what they thought.

Later then throughout grades 5 to 11, I was extremely popular. In a bad way.

The free target for everyone, always noticed by everyone and not respected by anyone.

I was so well known that even teachers I didn't have and students I never went to class with knew me.

So yeah, I was extremely popular for my autistic behaviour.


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05 Jan 2009, 11:11 am

I was not popular in childhood, but I was respected.



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05 Jan 2009, 11:34 am

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Later then throughout grades 5 to 11, I was extremely popular. In a bad way.


I think you are confusing "popularity" with "fame".



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05 Jan 2009, 11:44 am

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Later then throughout grades 5 to 11, I was extremely popular. In a bad way.


I yhink you are confusing "popularity" with "fame".


I was wondering about that. On the other hand, I was liked and appreciated for my presence because they only wanted to bully me and were mad about it. Something between avid fascination and violence.


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05 Jan 2009, 11:47 am

Not in the least. I began counting down to high school graduation in the sixth grade. I was emotionally, physically, mentally, and sexually harrassed through fifth grade on. I've been picked on by teachers since preschool onward. Till about first grade I was made to look like the bad, dangerous child, said to "have a look in my eye" or some crap like that. I calmed down after that, but even when I was a quiet and good student people hated me.

I was "infamous." I'm still not sure why. People I didn't even know would be hateful to me, and in my senior year I guy whose name I didn't even know punched me in the back of my head. I was talked about nearly as much as the compulsively lying jerk, who everyone hated (apparently I was hated more). I heard stories of entire classrooms starting to talk about me and laugh, even when most of them didn't know me. There was no reason for it! I just tried to keep my nose in a book and make good grades.


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05 Jan 2009, 2:15 pm

I was in fact quite popular in my childhood. I had some funny comments, and I guess something made the girls like me. I was in fact concidered quite cool, but I knew I was different allready back then. The girls had to be very direct if they wanted contact, and a lot of them was.
It was much easier then. I feel adulthood kindoff sucks, compared to childhood and the teenager years.


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05 Jan 2009, 3:06 pm

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I was in fact quite popular in my childhood. I had some funny comments, and I guess something made the girls like me. I was in fact concidered quite cool, but I knew I was different allready back then. The girls had to be very direct if they wanted contact, and a lot of them was.
It was much easier then. I feel adulthood kindoff sucks, compared to childhood and the teenager years.


I agree with mosez here, I too was more popular in my childhood than I thought I was. In my case I was more popular in areas like band. I used to make funny comments too and later learned from a friend that several of the girls at my school really liked me but were afraid to ask me out on a date since it was expected that the guy ask the girl out. I also knew something was different about me. I used to think I was the only person in the world like me. Had it not been for a friend in band arranging a blind date for me from another school, I doubt I would have ever dated. That blind date ended becoming my wife---after seven years of dating.



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05 Jan 2009, 3:16 pm

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mosez wrote:
I was in fact quite popular in my childhood. I had some funny comments, and I guess something made the girls like me. I was in fact concidered quite cool, but I knew I was different allready back then. The girls had to be very direct if they wanted contact, and a lot of them was.
It was much easier then. I feel adulthood kindoff sucks, compared to childhood and the teenager years.


I agree with mosez here, I too was more popular in my childhood than I thought I was. In my case I was more popular in areas like band. I used to make funny comments too and later learned from a friend that several of the girls at my school really liked me but were afraid to ask me out on a date since it was expected that the guy ask the girl out. I also knew something was different about me. I used to think I was the only person in the world like me. Had it not been for a friend in band arranging a blind date for me from another school, I doubt I would have ever dated. That blind date ended becoming my wife---after seven years of dating.


this is also my experience. to some degree.
glider18 - i like the story about how you met your wife.



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05 Jan 2009, 3:23 pm

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mosez wrote:
I was in fact quite popular in my childhood. I had some funny comments, and I guess something made the girls like me. I was in fact concidered quite cool, but I knew I was different allready back then. The girls had to be very direct if they wanted contact, and a lot of them was.
It was much easier then. I feel adulthood kindoff sucks, compared to childhood and the teenager years.


I agree with mosez here, I too was more popular in my childhood than I thought I was. In my case I was more popular in areas like band. I used to make funny comments too and later learned from a friend that several of the girls at my school really liked me but were afraid to ask me out on a date since it was expected that the guy ask the girl out. I also knew something was different about me. I used to think I was the only person in the world like me. Had it not been for a friend in band arranging a blind date for me from another school, I doubt I would have ever dated. That blind date ended becoming my wife---after seven years of dating.


Yeah, and I think it's maybe harder over there in the US, cause here we are not so formal about it. Dating is not the same thing as it is in the US, and girls can in fact get more direct, without anybody cares about it at all.


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