If AS is or isn't disorder...

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To stay sane i just used to constantly repeat to myself when I was younger
" Sticks and stones may break my brones but words will never hurt me".

The truly horrible thing about the professions lack of interest in adults is that 'we' can teach the clinicians and shrinks what types of questions to ask both children and adults so that a diagnosis is easier and more accurate. Sometimes they are so far removed from our reality it is scary.

Ah! The System. There is money for disability, so some want to become the gatekeepers, then the means of defining get twisted.

I see several versions.

There are those who need services.

There are those who could use services,

There are those who could use a clue about what is with them.

For those who need services things are getting better, they are no longer considered to be possessed by deamons, and the use of restraints, ice water baths, Thorazine, and electro shock is declining.

For those who could use services, in Europe they culled from the pool of unemployed, and retired. In America they have to fight just to get an education. Neither system helps much.

For those clueless folks, Me, finding a name for it at 59 was interesting, but they got it wrong. Like many here I lived and worked, and while people did not understand me, I did not understand them, so we were even.

I would like to think that the disabled were being taken care of, that education was broad enough to reach all the people, and theose in need of speach therapy, accomidation, were getting it.

If that takes putting up with psychobabbling pill pushing witch doctors, it is the best our culture has produced.

I can only speak from the view of the clueless. I had no idea there was a Clueless Club.

We who live on the border are a bunch of half breeds that both sides claim and neither wants.

The disabled say we are not trying hard enough. The world says we are not trying hard enough, and we ask, "Trying what?"

Rejection is our normal state, Autism purists are no different than the Christian Right, True Believers.

We have survived by going with what works. We do have some things in common, besides being clueless, but life is somewhat random, as are people, so we came to many outcomes.

While we may see ourselves in the DSM, because we work, own homes and businesses, they do not, no way could people who survive have a disability. I do not lik ethat group anyhow.

I am on WP for some information I can use as a non-disabled person. I have met many non-disabled people in business who could use that information. I would go as far as to say the majority of people who fit the DSM description of AS/HFA do not know it. They are just going through life as best they can, and do have some questions, but everyone has questions.

While for 1%, perhaps it is a disability, but 10% fit under Broader Autism Phenotype, and could use some information about why they are so clueless.

Inventor,

I like your perspective. Very insightful.

Yes Aspergers is a disorder.Is it a disability? not in the traditional sense, although I think it is a social disability