It seems as though there are two factions on this forum...

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Namiko
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16 Dec 2005, 9:18 am

I would probably fall somewhere in between. I dislike having AS because it means that it is more difficult to be social and have some of the opportunities that most NTs have. But I also like it because it provides a reason (NOT an excuse) for my random quirks. I am not the kind of person to lock myself in my room and never socialize and it is because of partial willingness, combined with people constantly wanting me to be social (usually in a non-annoying way, mostly people I respect) that has caused me to become more social.

Ideally, I would be something like Bec was talking about, but I think I'm more like Sarcastic_Name was talking about. :|


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16 Dec 2005, 9:29 am

I think you're either a morlock or an eloi. You're either on top of the game and eating the elois, or you're in a fool's kind of paradise or delusion getting eaten by the morlocks.

I'd have to say i'm a morlock and in the majority.



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16 Dec 2005, 9:30 am

I used to be part of the first category, but when I found out that fitting in wasn't worth it, I became the second category and now I'm the happiest I've ever been.


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16 Dec 2005, 10:01 am

In a similar vein to thatrsdude, I try to fit into the world around me the best I can, but not by compromising my own happiness.

So, I embrace my autism, trying to get others to understand how they can make my life easier whilst also doing what I can within my limitations to function within the NT world the best that I can.

That for me is a happy balance between the two paradigms the OP described.

I don't like the term faction, it makes it sound like we're at war or something!
Although looking at some of the posts recently...
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16 Dec 2005, 10:11 am

In my humble opinion, the schism between the factions here has been evident for quite some time. I think civil war is inevitable if the rebel faction is not allowed to succede. The phpnuke forum code does permit groups to be created: Global Moderators is just one of a potential many of them.

A logical division is between the defiants, those who believe having Asperger's syndrome means flaunting its symptoms in public no matter what the costs, and the integrationists, who try to adapt to living in an NT world and reep its benefits while being mindful of their unique assets. Other possible groups are child and adult. The mature forum could be made available only to adults, for example. Membership to the age-appropriate group would be determined by a brief interview from a mod after the person has made a contribution in the more general forums (this prevents kids from accessing mature discussion, and it allows them to discuss their attitude with an Informed Authority to determine what attitude they hold).

Imagine if, for example, there were two separate Romance forums: one for the defiants and another for the integrationists. Here are sample discourses:

The Defiants wrote:
Aspie Bob wrote:
Hi everyone,
I met a girl, and she was hott! She was actually smiling at me before I even said a word. Is that cool or what?

Dan the Aspie Man wrote:
All right, man! So how did it go?

Aspie Bob wrote:
Well, I said hi, and she said hi back. It was madly tight, dude.

Dan the Aspie Man wrote:
Yeah, and then what? This is a forum, not a chat. Christ on the pyre!

Aspie Bob wrote:
I asked her if she was aspie or NT. She didn't know what that meant, so I told her I had Asperger's syndrome, a mild form of autism, and was proud of that fact. I then asked her if she liked talking about bodily functions and psychopathy (reference here). She made some weird contortions of the face. I then told her, if she didn't like the fact that I stim, have sensory overload, and withdraw a lot, then maybe she's not the lady for me.

Dan the Aspie Man wrote:
All right! You showed that NT fox where it's at! We aspies can't let the NTs keep us down with their bizarre unwritten social rules.

Aspie Bob wrote:
So true...I just wish for once the women wouldn't walk away every time...

The Integrationists wrote:
Autistical Ninja wrote:
Hi,
I met a girl whilst (don't knock that word!) playing badminton yesterday. We talked a little, but I didn't really know what to say, so we parted company soon thereafter. She's a regular at the badminton courts, though, so I should see her again soon. Does anyone have any advice?

Mind of an Aspie, Body of a Beauty wrote:
Since both of you like playing badminton, start from there. Ask her how long she's been active in the sport. Try to avoid doing anything like stimming too much. There's a time to let her know about your AS, and that isn't now. Ask her if she's a fan of [your favorite cuisine]. Invite her to go to such a restaurant with you. That's a date!

Autistical Ninja wrote:
Yes! Success! We went to Bubba's All-You-Can Eat Buffet and had a great time. Afterwards, we made passionate [censored]. Thank you, O Mindly One!

Mind of an Aspie, Body of a Beauty wrote:
:wink:



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16 Dec 2005, 10:38 am

Can someone move neant's post to the mature forum please? If I want to read this kind of stories then I know where to go, I don't want to read it when I don't expect it. It's supposed to be there because it's not about romance but about s*x, which is obvious from phrases like 'made passionate [censored]', 'hot', etc. I found it really disturbing and depressing.



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16 Dec 2005, 10:44 am

Woh, the first case of super-sensory overload in the chatroom with 30 people talking about this stuff.

Mind bending.



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16 Dec 2005, 12:16 pm

I don't exactly go shouting my AS but I don't hide it either. If the topic comes up, it comes up. But I am definitely proud.

Though I do wish some integration because it is necessary IRL. Usually I get along pretty well with people, despite my eccentricities. I find I am invited places more often than I choose to just go.

I love my eccentricity and I also find it necessary to try and get along with people, to facilitate enjoyment and prevent anxiety.

Integration to some extent is functionally realistic unless one's goal is to be a total hermit and live in a shack in the woods. This is not my goal. But I love who and what I am for the most part and will only tweek the things in me which make ME unhappy.


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16 Dec 2005, 12:18 pm

Theres a 3rd, hidden, unknown faction: The Evil world domination force. And they plan to take over the internet.

Seriously, you may be right, but there still is a 3rd faction, the middle. Thats where I come. I make no secret that I have AS, but I also try to adapt to the world around me just the same as it adapts to me. (is that zen? :D)


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16 Dec 2005, 1:55 pm

I'm diffinitely part of the 2nd group.

I have been for the past several years now.....before I even heard of AS, and it's the most content I've been in my 32 years on this planet.



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16 Dec 2005, 8:50 pm

mjs82 wrote:
I think you're either a morlock or an eloi. You're either on top of the game and eating the elois, or you're in a fool's kind of paradise or delusion getting eaten by the morlocks.


kinda.

Alot of the people here come across as dillusional.



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16 Dec 2005, 8:57 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
mjs82 wrote:
I think you're either a morlock or an eloi. You're either on top of the game and eating the elois, or you're in a fool's kind of paradise or delusion getting eaten by the morlocks.


kinda.

Alot of the people here come across as dillusional.



Do I?



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16 Dec 2005, 9:13 pm

I'm very sensitive to how others reject me due to my behavior. I find it hard to embrace AS under these circumstances.

Of the AS people I've met, most who do well psychologically are less aware how others see them, at least on a gut-reaction level.



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16 Dec 2005, 10:01 pm

anarkhos wrote:
I'm very sensitive to how others reject me due to my behavior. I find it hard to embrace AS under these circumstances.

Of the AS people I've met, most who do well psychologically are less aware how others see them, at least on a gut-reaction level.



Thank you! I was trying to think of how to clarify my thoughts so they'd be understandable to others all day, but you did it for me with that post!



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16 Dec 2005, 10:12 pm

I see AS as a collection of traits, not one big thing. I like the vivid imagination and ability to think in pictures - those have really come in handy at work when I design programs from scratch. However, the meltdowns, sensory issues, and horrible social skills all totally SUCK. If I could sell my soul to get rid of that crap forever without sacrificing any of the good stuff, I would.



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17 Dec 2005, 12:59 am

I am niether ashamed nor proud of my aspy-ness,most of the time I don't even think about it


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