People with AS and high emotional intelligence
And did the media teach you that there are levels? That being intelligent, self-aware, empathetic can raise your level?
Sorry, but that is insane. Why can't people be people? Why do people have to be people with levels? This isn't a game!
Why? Because it is a biological propensity that is prototypical in humans. This is not surprising given that humans are social primates, and that hierarchy is innate to most social primates' social systems and socialization behaviors.
I can relate to a lot of what the OP says (although I concede that I am not [yet] particularly adept with interpreting facial expressions/non verbal cues).
I certainly did not intend to give the impression that I personally agree with the existence of "levels" - though I acknowledge many people, unfortunately, do. Anyone feeling like they are "better than" anyone else is a sensitive spot for me. So, no, I definitely do not share the opinion that people can be "better than." To be totally clear, as a child, I FELT like I was at some metaphorical bottom, because like it or not, there is a social hierarchy. I never signed up for it, I never wanted it, I was unwittingly born into it and forced to function in it. And the only way that my simple child brain, who only saw good and bad, could make sense of the politics and the horrible way I was treated, was to BELIEVE that I really was less than.
Today, I am fully aware that there are NOT levels, I am not worse than, and they are not better than, nor am *I* better than, and they worse than. My statement that I am actually, at times, more intelligent, etc., than many NT's, was only to show that, indeed, the "levels" and the games that I so stupidly believed as a child, are, logically, ridiculous. Unfortunately, the AWARENESS does not wipe away years of truly believing I was worse than other people. Thus, I am gun shy.
That said, I do believe that as general ideals, good is better than mean, harmony is better than self-serving, love is better than hate. I do not think you are a more worthwhile human being if you are understanding, caring, tolerant, etc. I do, however, feel that those are qualities that are worthwhile for humans to strive towards.
Just to be clear, I wanted that badly as a child. Though, in truth, I think I probably more wanted to be able to understand why I was treated the way I was and why things were never natural for me. I no longer have that strong desire to be like everyone else. I know who I am soooo much better now than I did then. I understand now why things were the way they were. I am weird and I accept that and have no desire to change that. My goal now, is to figure out how I can function in my society as the weird and sensitive person I am - because, unfortunately, I do need money, food, and shelter. So I do need a job and I am forced to participate in the daily politics of human life (e.g. like your close friend, instead of showing you support and sympathy, taking the opportunity to one-up you --- I now understand why people do that, though I cannot personally understand WHY, if that makes any sense, lol). I am still learning, but progressing

LOL. Hmm, you know, I never thought about it. I picked it because I loved the commercial and find the guy hilariously weird. So, maybe.

If I was guessing why she would do this (and it really is guessing), I would say that for this particular woman it is far more about her than it is about me - she has lacked security her whole life in many ways and has always relied on boyfriends to support her practically and emotionally. I, on the other hand, have always strived to be independent so I suppose she saw an opportunity to feel better than me. I cannot relate to this. Even more of a puzzle to me was why she appeared to be so devious about it - she replied to my initial email about 2 weeks later, and covered the comment about security up by saying lots of positive things about my return to our home city. I think (but do not know!) that she was trying to feel more powerful by attempting to trick me?
One quick thought, and I hope this doesn't offend you - could you maybe learn to not describe yourself as "weird"?! I know what you're getting at of course, but do you not feel this is society's view of those with AS rather than your/our own? I just feel that such negative words are not always helpful...to yourself as much as anyone else.
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I think I do ok perceiving emotions... But I also have trouble controlling them. I am very sensitive. Lol.
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that means you have an I/O imbalance.
you are getting correct input, but can not process and reciprocate it.
you have half my problem but double my concern.
i am very tired now so this post will say "deleted" tomorrow when i can resolve my ignorance.
I am tired, so I cannot read and properly think about your post, but it sounds very much like what I am confused about with myself!
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Dodgy circuitry! Diagnosed: Tourette syndrome. Suspected: auditory processing disorder, synaesthesia. Also: social and organisation problems. Heteroromantic asexual (though still exploring)
Hi, ive had to trail far and wide to get this information. It seemed everywhere I looked on googleabout having autism and emotional intelligence just kept repeatedly telling me that autistic people have low or lacking in emotional intelligence. Apparently according to some test on a website I have average emotional intelligence. Which confused the hell out of me. Because I sstruggle with self awareness and awaress of others in their motivations and subtext, sarcasm is a real pain in the bum for me :/ im awkward in social situations and have a moderate to servere anxiety disorder.
But I have a theory... I think with how an autistic brain is supposed to work in differencw from neuro-typicals is that the autistic model of the brain is supposed to be overly logical. And I think we find ways of compensating our lack of instictive emotional intelligence. We study and learn and simulate how we're supposed to be. And of course over time this becomes like second nature to us. But what throws us and others around us out is when we find ourselves in a situation we dont know the social norms for, and we act in our approximate of what we think we should be. And this doesnt come off as nature or correct.
As a kid and indeed, as a young adult growing up (29 now) I have always been labelled by my peers as being odd and weird. I dont get why, but there you go lol. But I do know that in most cases I am detached from my learned social norms behaviour. So when im talking to someone and theyre talking about something I have absolute no interest in, I give the customary nods and murmurs of agreement and ask various questions, but I dont have any interest in the answer. And inside I zone out and think about things that interest me instead. Unfortuently this doesnt always work and I end up interuppting them and changing the subject to something I find interesting. So its all swings and roundabouts I guess.
But I have found that if I allow myself to withdraw from social interaction, I find it harder to interact with others in any capacity, I change completely and become very withdrawn into myself and spend alot of time on my own, indoors, not talking to anyone if I can really help it lol. But when I have regular social interaction in an environment I feel comfortable and confident in, I find it easier to deal with other social environments and people. I become more outgoing and less anxious in social situations. But at the same time I do find I need to balance that with an equal number of hours/days or my own personal downtime because I get easily overwhelmed and things start going wrong with my behaviour and saying things I shouldnt which can sometimes get me into trouble a little.
I don't fully understand this EQ thing. I haven't had it tested, either (I'm officially diagnosed). It seems like I have huge discrepancies in my emotional intelligence.
It's as if my emotional intelligence is high in certain aspects and low in others. When it comes to purely dealing with my own emotions I think I'm pretty good in the sense that I can deal well with emotion and don't let it take over, nor do I have anger management issues or other things like that that indicate an inability to deal with emotions. Furthermore, I'm definitely not 'childish' in dealing with situations. My English is lacking here, but I mean that I'm pretty mature in how I deal with situations and other people's feelings. People've also said that, that I behave wise and maturely.
My emotional intelligence is low on the other hand when it comes to social understanding. I can do smalltalk if I use certain tricks but not for too long. I lack social understanding and insight. It's hard to read people's intentions (towards me) and I feel I can hardly tell what people think of me unless things are pretty obvious. I also need to work on self awareness.
I sometimes think about this subject, it puzzles me. I seem quite advanced in one way, but behind in another. But then again I'm no psychologist so I'm probably just rambling on about something of which I know nothing
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This sounds a lot like me, except maybe the part I italicized. I do have good instincts about people. I just don't always know how to act on it.
I was interested in psychology from a young age. I am excellent at literary analysis. I gathered a lot of information about human behavior from reading psychology textbooks and novels and watching tv/movies. I can do complex psychological analysis of people.
I have excellent theoretical emotional intelligence. I just don't do so well with the practical, real-time application of what I know.
When I outright misinterpret something, or miss something, it's usually because I don't have any prior context for it (never read about it or saw it in a movie). Also the body of knowledge I gleaned from "Hollyweird" obviously doesn't always reflect what real people do in real life.
What confuses me the most is insincerity. When people say one thing and do another, or say one thing but mean something else. I'm very sensitive to it and I can pick up on it easily. I usually even have a pretty good idea of what is going on under the surface. I just can't believe it.
I have good instincts about people though...IF I trust myself...the vast majority of the time my instincts and first impressions about people turn out to be true. The problem is I don't always trust myself, or act on my instincts. Usually it's because because other people are pressuring me.
It's as if something deep in my brain automatically defaults to believing what other people say even when I have every reason not to.
And it's interesting that I also miss a lot of what people say, because my mind wanders off, or my auditory processing gets wonky. It's almost like my brain is filtering out information that might trigger confusion.
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