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02 Feb 2009, 10:08 pm

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I have been told that people in the service industry (especially people who depend heavily on tips) are taught to make good eye contact whenever possible, as this establishes some kind of bond between server and patron and increases the chances of a good tip. Apparently they don't also mention that if you have to really go out of your way for it (like doing a kneeling stare-down), you're probably crossing your patron's personal boundaries and will get exactly the opposite response.

(I don't know for sure this is true because I've definitely never had this kind of job and never will, but it's easy to see how through NT eyes this would be a perfectly logical thing to think. Especially given that there is no real nuance to it, and no thought given to how it might not always apply :roll: )


I have actually heard an IDIOT getting accolades for claiming that waitresses should even SIT DOWN BESIDE and TOUCH patrons! She tried to act like some expert, etc.... If they do that with me, EVEN if I am there in an interview and/or with friends, I will take the shortest path, EVEN if that is EXTREME invasion of THEIR space and pushes them onto the floor, and just LEAVE! I would also talk with the manager. Frankly, if I had a bill, I wouldn't even wait to pay it.

Frankly, waitresses are SUPPOSED to act as genial hosts, or humble servants of a sort, to make the patrons happy, comfortable, and satisfied. If they succeed, the customers may even eat/drink more, and they may get a healthy tip! They are NOT there to act as business people that think they OWN the patrons, and treat the patrons as GUINEA PIGS!! !! !!



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02 Feb 2009, 11:36 pm

We may not feel like looking people in the eyes, but NTs NEED to be looked in the eyes when talking to someone. The intention is no more rude than not wanting to. You have to understand that they feel just as uncomfortable if you don't do it.

Something that makes you uncomfortable isn't necessarily done intentionally to make you feel that way. After coming by four times, she probably expected you to look her in the eyes, especially since you were ready to order then.

It's really unfortunate that it had to happen on your date, though.


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03 Feb 2009, 7:48 pm

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msinglynx wrote:
What do you guys think? Is it appropriate to try & force an adult to look someone in the eyes? Is it appropriate to force a child? Is it just me or was it rude? How would you have reacted?


I personally think it's hard to say one way or the other--at least from what I've read. I mean, was she trying to be rude or intentionally ignoring standard protocol? Or did she over hear your conversation and attempt to do something good and have it backfire?

Seems to me that non-autistic people can make the same type of mistakes as autistic people.

Personally, I wouldn't have withheld a tip from the woman as it does not justice to the situation. Or if you do withhold a tip, tell them exactly why so that you've done justice to the situation and not just exacted futile revenge.


That was exactly my problem, I couldn't figure out WHY she did it. There was no need for her to crouch down and she got our drinks, etc without doing so, so I assume she over heard our conversation, becuz it was right afterward that she did it.
I did tip her, becuz she really was very nice & I got the impression that she wasn't TRYING to offend, so much as was absolutely clueless of how offensive that act could be. Unfortunately since I still wasnt sure why she did it I didn't tell her it was rude and offensive.



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03 Feb 2009, 7:51 pm

I would have taken it as a signal that she was coming on to you and letting you know you could drop the straight deadweight off at the curb after he finished the sandwich.


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03 Feb 2009, 7:52 pm

go_around wrote:
I have been told that people in the service industry (especially people who depend heavily on tips) are taught to make good eye contact whenever possible, as this establishes some kind of bond between server and patron and increases the chances of a good tip. Apparently they don't also mention that if you have to really go out of your way for it (like doing a kneeling stare-down), you're probably crossing your patron's personal boundaries and will get exactly the opposite response.

(I don't know for sure this is true because I've definitely never had this kind of job and never will, but it's easy to see how through NT eyes this would be a perfectly logical thing to think. Especially given that there is no real nuance to it, and no thought given to how it might not always apply :roll: )


It's true, I've read it and taken marketing classes, not so much the "stare down" and certainly not "pursuing" eye contact, but they are told to touch people, lightly for a few seconds and that this makes people more amenable to them. Way to backfire with an autie tho heh



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03 Feb 2009, 7:58 pm

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I would have taken it as a signal that she was coming on to you and letting you know you could drop the straight deadweight off at the curb after he finished the sandwich.

*giggling histerically*
I'm pretty definately sure that wasn't it
oh god that image is so funny, cuz he looks like Brendan Fraiser in that tarzan movie hehehe
I just imagined him eating a sandwich in a loincloth for some reason
lol lol lol



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03 Feb 2009, 8:00 pm

Well you never know nowadays. Many of these waitresses actually scare me.


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03 Feb 2009, 8:03 pm

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We may not feel like looking people in the eyes, but NTs NEED to be looked in the eyes when talking to someone. The intention is no more rude than not wanting to. You have to understand that they feel just as uncomfortable if you don't do it.

Something that makes you uncomfortable isn't necessarily done intentionally to make you feel that way. After coming by four times, she probably expected you to look her in the eyes, especially since you were ready to order then.

It's really unfortunate that it had to happen on your date, though.


Even out with friends I've never had anyone do that before, I mean once a cashier in a grocery store started yelling at me & I assume it was cuz she thought I was being rude for not talking or looking at her (was on the phone with my mom) but I SMILED at her and was polite. People are so.... presumptious. They take things so personally that have nothing to do with them, heck I may be doing so on this very issue...
I was looking TOWARD her eyes! Most people dont notice if I dont GAZE at them, jeez.
meh date... just one more to a long list of pathetic failures.... my tendecny to interrupt messed that up much more then my tendency to not look him in the eye ;p



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03 Feb 2009, 8:05 pm

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Well you never know nowadays. Many of these waitresses actually scare me.


Me too! Thats actually why I went there. I dont like going new places on my own & I'd been there with a friend a few times. Strangely the late night waitress (who has big bleached blond hair, and tons of tats and piercing and runs around in cut off short-shorts) is less terrifying then the waitress that was there the other day (who just looked like someones over worked mom)



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03 Feb 2009, 8:36 pm

Whats's the address of the place and what shift does the big blond with lots of tats and piercings and cutoff shorts work?


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04 Feb 2009, 4:35 pm

lmao, she's a toucher, just so you know, lol

It's Lindy's on the corner of Central & 5th in Albuquerque NM