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14 Feb 2009, 10:36 pm

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Now I'm confused: They all state that there is no delay in speaking. I didn't learn to speak until I was 3 1/2, which is late. I was diagnosed with AS, but HFA might be more accurate.


The OLD one said NO delay(That measn sentences that are 50% understandable by 2). The new says at least words BY 3! some doctors just keep changing things.


I wasn't saying words when i was 3. It was half a year later.


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15 Feb 2009, 7:22 am

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The ICD-10 comes in a Blue Book and a Green Book. One lists point-by-point criteria that researchers can use; the other is a more descriptive reference.

Thank you! Awesome, so one is the description and the other are the criteria as I guessed.



2ukenkerl wrote:
The OLD one said NO delay(That measn sentences that are 50% understandable by 2). The new says at least words BY 3! some doctors just keep changing things.

Not quite.

As I probably said before somewhere, there is a normal delay because there's a mean.

It's the same with intelligence - 100 is the mean and 99 would by that definition already be 'low'. But 99 is still within the range/spectrum of normal intelligence from about 85 to 115.

To speak single words at age 12 months is the mean - and if you say the mean is the standard, then speaking single words at 13 months would already be delayed.

Since all kids are different and some normally develop earlier than others or later than others though, there's no exact point at which they have to start saying single words but there's a range that is considered 'normal'. And normal is everything up to 24 months.

It's within the normal range to start saying single words at, say, 18 months. That's not delayed, that's just late. There's an important difference. Being late or early is normal and has absolutely nothing to do with delays or irregular development.



Maditude wrote:
Now I'm confused: They all state that there is no delay in speaking. I didn't learn to speak until I was 3 1/2, which is late. I was diagnosed with AS, but HFA might be more accurate.


Yeah, some people don't meet he actual criteria but get diagnosed with AS anyway. A professional can do that.


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15 Feb 2009, 9:47 am

Sora wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
The OLD one said NO delay(That measn sentences that are 50% understandable by 2). The new says at least words BY 3! some doctors just keep changing things.

Not quite.

As I probably said before somewhere, there is a normal delay because there's a mean.

It's the same with intelligence - 100 is the mean and 99 would by that definition already be 'low'. But 99 is still within the range/spectrum of normal intelligence from about 85 to 115.

To speak single words at age 12 months is the mean - and if you say the mean is the standard, then speaking single words at 13 months would already be delayed.

Since all kids are different and some normally develop earlier than others or later than others though, there's no exact point at which they have to start saying single words but there's a range that is considered 'normal'. And normal is everything up to 24 months.

It's within the normal range to start saying single words at, say, 18 months. That's not delayed, that's just late. There's an important difference. Being late or early is normal and has absolutely nothing to do with delays or irregular development.


By "no delay", I meant do delay after the expected milestone date. I was speaking sentences by 10mo. 100 means no retardation, but you MAY be considered ret*d compared to a person with a 200 IQ. Still, 100 is expected, so it means no retardation. Likewise, speaking in sentences by 2 years means no delay. If we are going to argue extremes, then there is no usable material in nature that can be a conductor! Gold and Silver are good, but FAR from FULL conductors. The ONLY reason why we use them is because nature provides nothing usable with similar benefits. And what of insulators? I mean the most popular insulator used is AIR! Even next to plastics, ceramics, etc... when all is said an done, air BETTER be a good insulator. If it weren't, almost every product on the planet, including almost every computer, would FAIL! Still, obviously, it isn't an absolute. A little humidity, and a change in potentials of the air, and it can conduct enough electricity to do a LOT of damage. Still, a LACK of humidity can allow enough of a charge to build up that you could get a shock by coming within an inch of a piece of metal! So air is good, but FAR from perfect. We NEED to have a benchmark. The milestones are the benchmark for human development.

In fact, milestones(probably named after markers placed every mile on some roads) and benchmark(named after marks put on benches to indicate where operations were to be made, etc) mean the same thing! A marker used to indicate where something is to be done.

Sora wrote:
Maditude wrote:
Now I'm confused: They all state that there is no delay in speaking. I didn't learn to speak until I was 3 1/2, which is late. I was diagnosed with AS, but HFA might be more accurate.


Yeah, some people don't meet he actual criteria but get diagnosed with AS anyway. A professional can do that.


A "professional" will do that. It is not to say a professional can do that.