Hey, einstein suddenly BECAME a genius?

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garyww
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25 Feb 2009, 10:13 pm

So who says that Einstein was a 'genius', I don't ever remember reading that about him so point me to the quote.


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25 Feb 2009, 10:50 pm

I was born 102 years and 2 days after Einstein. :D

I still get B's in upper division math/physics courses despite the fact that I suffer from sever motivation problems. I hardly did any homework tonight. :(


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26 Feb 2009, 12:10 am

Hey I'm the one who told you about Einstein relating to your becoming smart(for a moment).
My only big developpment spurt was in social skills.
And I know he was an aspie because he had that stoned look.



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26 Feb 2009, 2:02 am

garyww wrote:
So who says that Einstein was a 'genius', I don't ever remember reading that about him so point me to the quote.


In 1905, at the age of 26, Albert Einstein publish four seminal works in physics, the theory of Brownian motion, two on Special Relativity, and the photo-electric effect. The first and last helped lay the ground work for quantum physics, the last being the basis for his Nobel Prize in physics. I've heard that all were worthy of the prize but because all were published in the same year, he could only get one. He wrote those papers while working on his PhD.

By any measure, Einstein was a genius in physics.



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26 Feb 2009, 4:21 am

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I doubt he was the dumbest in the class. It was the 1800's then so people didn't understand disabilities and stuff so they thought back then you were dumb if you were different.


Einstein was school considered as undisciplined, but not as "dumb". He left school with 16 due to two reasons: To avoid conscription to military and his father got a new job in Milan. He finished his school exams as an "external" in upper range.

It is to say that German school exams follow different lines than the UK or the US and an "A" ("Sehr gut") was reserved for really exceptional students. Even today, when the grading is a bit less restrictive, a general "A" is only archived by less than 1% of all students. The system of grading is trailered that the majority of students will get a "C".



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26 Feb 2009, 11:54 am

SPCOlympics wrote:
He wrote those papers while working on his PhD.


I don't think he ever got a PhD, though I could be wrong. What I read (in a biography) was that his grades weren't high enough to get into grad school (because he was goofing off with his physics theories) so he had to get a job as a patent clerk instead.

I didn't realize that looking stoned was diagnostic.



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26 Feb 2009, 1:23 pm

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At university he slacked off and did his own thing and barely passed his finals. I think he was already developing his theories at the time. I think some gifted people just don't bother much with the system - they find it boring.

If you really want the facts, there are plenty of bios in the library.


the system IS boring. why would anyone adhere to an imposed curriculum when yor can live with the fun and purity of developing your own? :D



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26 Feb 2009, 1:43 pm

I don't think he was the dumbest in the class at all. I think he wasn't fitting into a traditional classroom, and failed as a result. Twice-exceptional kids go through that kind of thing often--probably more often than not. It's really not surprising; when you have a brain as odd as Einstein's must have been, can you really expect to learn from mainstream education?

I think that often times kids with brains and special needs will end up raising their grades simply because they've learned to work the system, or work around their learning disabilites, or both. That's what happened for me. I learned to do things quickly and sloppily because doing them slowly meant that I wouldn't finish anything because I'd perseverate on details... I learned, unfortunately, to work for grades instead of working for knowledge. I had an anatomy exam recently; if I had attempted to understand the material instead of merely memorizing it, I wouldn't have gotten through all of it in time to take the test and get a decent grade. It's like sacrificing knowledge for grades... I hate it, absolutely hate it; but I know very well that school is for proving to other people that you're smart, and not really for actually learning things. I do that on my own time, for the most part, except for math, which you have to learn to pass the tests.

Extra testing time and a distraction free environment works wonders--without it, I fail; with it, I make As and Bs.


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26 Feb 2009, 2:11 pm

I can remember reading stuff in school and not understanding any of it and then going home and suddenly it all made sense. I understood it, could think about it, add my own perceptions and insights to it. Paragraphs I had no idea left an impression on me were in my subconscious mind. That's my explanation for aquiring any knowledge at school because I definitely didn't pay attention in class or do much work. I was way too distracted by everything, couldn't shut out external stimuli and wasn't able to focus on the task at hand.
I don't know if Einstein experienced this or not.

I've been thinking about Albert Einstein. He was born in 1879, and grew up before the golden age of pscychotherapies and MOIs. BF Skinner's behavior therapy experiments of 1930s-1950s were being conducted but not yet studied. Cognitive Behaviour Therapy was not an option and marriage counseling was out of the question. People didn't question their interpersonal relationships like they did today and there was more of a reliance on the memorizing of protocals and the right way to behave socially based on mannerisms and a learned pattern of responses, gestures rehearsed inquiries, holding doors open, knowing where the salad fork goes and to keep one's elbows off the table. If you had the manners memorized you could pretty much fake everything else.
So, Einstein had time to indulge in things that really interested him.
If he grew up during, let's say, the 1980's, would The Theory of Relativity exist? If he acted the same way today parents, teachers, and everyone else would try to
mold his behaviour and make him more social, caring more about indulging in trivial social pursuits than thinking about quantum physics. He might not have the same profundity if he grew up today knowing he's autistic.



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27 Feb 2009, 10:52 am

protest_the_hero wrote:
Hey I'm the one who told you about Einstein relating to your becoming smart(for a moment).
My only big developpment spurt was in social skills.
And I know he was an aspie because he had that stoned look.

Lol i said i was going to look u information like i'm doing now :P
seems like everyone has a different theory :?