Are you just going to let your symptoms beat you?

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millie
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03 Mar 2009, 12:10 am

i find life hard. i had to go to a career related lunch today with two people in a quiet home in the bush and talk about some plans for some work stuff.
i worried beforehand and i have been home a couple of hours and am sick to my stomach because i cannot feel connection to others and i cannot fit in.
i cannot keep up with others' conversations and if it veers away from my career/special interest topic i am lost and floundering and do not know what to say.

i'm at a point where i feel like checking out sometimes. i won't do that. but that is how i feel some days. today has been one of those days.



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03 Mar 2009, 12:12 am

I've overcome or made adjustments for much of my Aspieness, except for the inability to socialize in a natural, relaxed fashion. I'm still prone to archaic terminology or polysyllabic words of esoteric meaning and many times completely miss the unspoken references ("inside jokes") of a conversation.

I was once a part of a group of equally nerdy friends, who met once weekly for seven years to play Dungeons & Dragons. Those were the best of times. Now I'm lucky to find anyone who knows what "Thac0" means or what a "Saving Throw" is for.

While I'm fully capable of living on my own, I always have that awful Aspie feeling of "Standing on the outside looking in."



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03 Mar 2009, 12:28 am

Some things are a practice in futility. I've found through out my life that there needs to be an equilibrium between futility and ease. Achieving what you can and leaving what you need to. Of course applying this to individual needs is difficult. And finding this balance can be trying task indeed.


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03 Mar 2009, 12:33 am

Fnord wrote:
I was once a part of a group of equally nerdy friends, who met once weekly for seven years to play Dungeons & Dragons. Those were the best of times. Now I'm lucky to find anyone who knows what "Thac0" means or what a "Saving Throw" is for.
To-hit AC 0. Lower is better. And a saving throw is a die roll, added to an applicable modifier, which must meet or exceed a certain target to reduce or avoid an unwanted effect. Do I pass the geek test? :)


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03 Mar 2009, 12:35 am

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Some things are a practice in futility. I've found through out my life that there needs to be an equilibrium between futility and ease. Achieving what you can and leaving what you need to. Of course applying this to individual needs is difficult. And finding this balance can be trying task indeed.


i think this is a pretty wise statement, and i think it is amazing you understand this at 22. that is very cool.

i am 46 and only beginning to absorb this.
as for my traits getting the better of me --- i could just lie down and get fleas at present and not give a toss, as i am so f****d over by life and my seeming naivety and lack of understanding of people.



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03 Mar 2009, 12:44 am

I tried. I failed. I'll try again. But first I have to get my life back on track in practical matters.


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03 Mar 2009, 12:46 am

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It's that thingy in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 that means that the lower the number, the higher chance you have of hitting your target. A die roll and saving throws were those thingies that the computer did for me.

But anyway, nothing can beat me, for I am already beaten; I'm invincible.



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03 Mar 2009, 12:50 am

If I had let my symptoms get the best of me, I would not be here right now.

Yes, you read that right. You are smart people, you can figure out what I mean.

Here are some of the reasons I'm still around. Hopefully this will help some, if not all of you.

1) I had goals. When I first started back to school, one of the first things we had to do was write down three professional, three personal, and three educational goals. For each goal we had to think of obstacles, and also come up with ways to overcome those obstacles.

Do this, and pick off one at a time if you have to. They don't even need to be especially "world-shattering" to be meaningful and confidence-building to you - just attainable.

The attainment of those goals may involve reaching out to others. I know mine, which is to eventually to run my own video game studio under my own label, will require this. Consider it an "exercise in overcoming the social deficit". The younger WrongPlanet folks will likely have an easier time of this, as there is far more support geared for AS youth than adults.

2) I had faith. Most of you will have different beliefs from mine. Some of you may be atheist, and if that works for you, that's fine. I'm not writing this to preach.

3) I find the silver linings. In this world, that's a b***h sometimes, I know. Focus on your strengths - or even just something that puts a smile on your face - and use those to find ways around your weaknesses. Do the best with what you have, as Tahitii said.

Many here write about their bad experiences in therapy. I am sorry you had to deal with that. I might find a WrongPlanet lynch mob beating down my door for this, but also keep in mind the idea of "degrees of autism" is still fairly new to some. For example, AS was not a diagnosible condition in and of itself until the 90's, so in many ways therapists are still learning about it, too. For many of us, they were treating the symptoms without knowledge of what the root cause was.

Just my $.02


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03 Mar 2009, 12:56 am

Callista wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I was once a part of a group of equally nerdy friends, who met once weekly for seven years to play Dungeons & Dragons. Those were the best of times. Now I'm lucky to find anyone who knows what "Thac0" means or what a "Saving Throw" is for.
To-hit AC 0. Lower is better. And a saving throw is a die roll, added to an applicable modifier, which must meet or exceed a certain target to reduce or avoid an unwanted effect. Do I pass the geek test? :)


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03 Mar 2009, 12:59 am

millie wrote:
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Some things are a practice in futility. I've found through out my life that there needs to be an equilibrium between futility and ease. Achieving what you can and leaving what you need to. Of course applying this to individual needs is difficult. And finding this balance can be trying task indeed.


i think this is a pretty wise statement, and i think it is amazing you understand this at 22. that is very cool.

i am 46 and only beginning to absorb this.
as for my traits getting the better of me --- i could just lie down and get fleas at present and not give a toss, as i am so f**** over by life and my seeming naivety and lack of understanding of people.



well thank you
I've only recently come to understand this.and i am still trying to apply this to my own life. I still fall prey to my own depressions at times. the only way l have found to cope is to find that one spark in the darkness and focus only on that. To quote Francis of Assisi " All the darkness in world can not quell the light of a single flame." Of course he was speaking of religion but the same concept applies either way


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03 Mar 2009, 1:04 am

benjimanbreeg wrote:
And its not just aspies either. But there's a lot of it on this site. Does anyone else here actually face their fears and put themselves in those awkward situations? The one thing that can get on top of me is phobia of germs. But i'll find a happy medium. I dunno about you lot, but i'll never just rest on my laurels, i'm driven to succeed. I'll keep striving untill I die, and then maybe someone will say what I did in the world was good. What the hell is impossible? People on here are saying they can't do this or that. Bollocks, it can be done. Winners never quit, quitters never win.


It's an oversimplified view of the complexity each person with AS deals with, just like their are differences in intelligence in people, there are differences in endurance and resistance to stress, depression, tiredness, energy levels, etc. It's not about winning or losing, it's about what an AS person values in relation to the effort expended in return for those rewards, not every AS person values the same things. Some of us don't need what other AS people do. We're not all the same, so lets not pretend to be.



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03 Mar 2009, 3:57 am

Learning2Survive wrote:
how about RETURNING to the summer camp the year after you were EVERYONE'S laughing stock? try shaking hands and talking to the guys who ridiculed on a daily basis.


It depends what you're actually going for? If its something you really want to do, don't let them stop you please. I was the laughing stock to my friends at school. I shouldn't advise this. But what I wish i'd done now is built up the courage to beat up one of them and maybe the rest would have stopped. What were they saying to you?


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03 Mar 2009, 3:59 am

Tahitiii wrote:
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People on here are saying they can't do this or that.

Some people really can't do this or that. Everybody is different. If you can handle it, that's good. You have to do the best you can with what you have.

People come here for a reason. No thanks to the worthless shrinks I've seen over the years, I had to figure it out for myself and find this place on my own. That's AFTER I was pushed to the wall and completely out of options. I would never have found this place if my life weren't hopeless. If I ever do get out of this mess, I'm sure I will spend less time here. (But it would still be my home-base when I have time for the internet.) The point is that it's an illusion. People come here because they have problems, and when when they figure it out they probably don't need the place as much.

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I can't work AND look for another job, I don't have the energy for it
That's me, on the rare occasion I have a job. And in the past few years, they've gotten more and more depressing. I had good jobs in the distant past. The kind of crap I get now is so depressing, it's worse than staying home.

I think you younguns lucked out in getting a diagnosis early. Then again, you're starting out in a rotten economy, which can do a number on your self-esteem. It's hard to know whether to blame the Aspergers or the general bad times. I'm not sure which is worse.


Its a cop out. There's stuff they could do if they fought against it. Maybe they don't want to. Well I was only diagnosed about 16 months ago, and i'm 24 now. I had some bad times at work, and thinking I was just an idiot.


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03 Mar 2009, 4:48 am

I accomplish the "impossible" nearly every day. :D



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03 Mar 2009, 6:04 am

This is just weird because these supposed "symtoms" are my personality.

So by definition my personality traits can never "beat" me because I am who I am.

Unfortunately, some people don't like who I am.

Given the right environment, I can thrive on my personality traits.


I find this whole idea of "suffering" from personality traits bizarre and a little offensive.
I only seem to "suffer" if the environment is not right or people believe that I should be "suffering".



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03 Mar 2009, 8:15 am

It actually hasn't been proven that Asperger's is a personality type, just FYI and all.

Wing from her first paper (she's replying to Hans and his theory that Autistic Psychopathy was an extreme form of the male personality):

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Since neither psychotic process nor personality trait has been defined empirically, ...