Manipulative aspies.

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I have a question.....When someone trys to manipulate another person it is becasue that person want to gain something from the person they are trying to manipulate becasue they know if they do not manipulate that person, they will not gain what they are trying to gain. It is a a form of using some for something. Are you guys referring to that? If you are I do not see how that is compensating for something....Can you explain to me what you are meaning????

I have told people what they want to hear, knowing that they shouldn't take me seriously if they were really objective and didn't have some kind of screw loose. But that was only after being honest with them wasn't effective. And they were obviously waiting around for me to feed their delusion. And they needed to hear what I said so much I didn't have to be able to lie well, just have the formula come out of my mouth.

That's the closest I could come to being manipulative and lying.

But that is what all manipulation and lying is actually like. Very few people have the ability to just spin reality out of nothing -- the ones who can do that tend to be charismatics and actually con artists. In reality, most manipulators and liars are just people who can sense and exploit the flaws -- prejudices and delusions and vanities -- of others and take advantage of that. Actually, it was a sociopath and a con artist who taught me that.

The most effective lies and manipulations are those where the user tells the victim what he/she needs or wants to hear anyways. People are easily led down the paths their imaginations wish were real. The best liars and manipulators are those who (1) can see into the hearts of people to their hidden needs and flaws and who (2) are great actors.

I knew an aspie who was manipulative. He bullied people to get his way. He his his mother and broke things to get her to do things he wanted.

I disagree. To me, a manipulation is a manipulation regardless of who it harms or benefits. I don't confuse it with power, although one can obtain a lot of power if one is really good at it. I also do not pretend that people are altruistic and not self serving, although, one can appear altruistic while being self serving if one is clever enough, I suppose. I've never encountered one person who isn't in it for themselves, somehow, or needs validation from other people. That's not saying they cannot benefit others, just they need to feel it benefits themselves somehow, too.