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19 Mar 2009, 2:15 pm

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My name is Gary and I am autistic.
Put all of the money in this brown paper bag.
Do not call the police.
I cannot help myself.
Pleased to meet you".


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

that is a VERY good post gary.



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19 Mar 2009, 2:33 pm

I agree. It made me laugh really hard.


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19 Mar 2009, 2:35 pm

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I agree. It made me laugh really hard.


yep. it is very early in the morning here and i was in stitches and spilt my coffee on the bed.

as for the note - weigh it up and if you feel it would make your life easier, do it.



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19 Mar 2009, 2:35 pm

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What would prpbably happen with me and the way I appear, I would reach inside my jacket for a little card and somebody would react by thinking they were about to be robbed so they'd scream and run away.


Yeah, like Mr. Bean, arriving to the US? Got the airport security into red allert. I think that was a great movie, Mr. Bean the movie, you watched it?
Only he did it on purpose just for the gag of it.. :D


Suppose not


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19 Mar 2009, 2:41 pm

I rarely have an anxiety episode and I keep it under control when I have one because I don't get all rude and cut in line and stuff and scream at the people because I know it can make the situation worse because then they can refuse to help me because they wouldn't want to deal with a "rude customer" and I am also aware anxiety and AS is no excuse to be rude and cut in line, etc. I try to avoid anything that would cause me stress inside that would lead to anxiety. Sometimes I can't avoid things that would cause stress so I had a lot of it in school and rude behavior because you can't refuse to do your school work or else I flunk my classes and that means repeat a a class, no London if I can't graduate. Also, how could I avoid my meltdowns from stress if my bf doesn't leave me alone when I tell him too? He just makes it worse by adding fuel to the fire by not leaving me alone when I tell him too so what do I have to do, scream at him and telling him to "shut up."

I even refuse to have a AS card or an anxiety card because I feel I'd be using it as an excuse for my behavior acting like "Oh it's okay for me to act this way because I have X."



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19 Mar 2009, 2:44 pm

Considering how people are stigmatized, I don't think I would advertise. Even if you tell them they still hold you responsible for your behaviour, except in the case of mental illnesses like schizophrenia, but even that has become less common.



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19 Mar 2009, 9:09 pm

I've considered a MedicAlert bracelet, but there's an annual fee, and I don't know how useful the people on the other end of the phone line would be if I needed their help explaining.

I think a card you can pull out in an emergency would be better than a letter ahead of time, unless it's for a specific issue at a specific place, where you want to discuss certain details ahead of time like dietary issues or sensory issues. It saves you from the possiblity of stigma, since some people will hold any difference against you, unfortunately.



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19 Mar 2009, 9:23 pm

garyww wrote:
"Hi,
My name is Gary and I am autistic.
Put all of the money in this brown paper bag.
Do not call the police.
I cannot help myself.
Pleased to meet you".


My thoughts exactly =/

But then again, who am I to say anything :roll:



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19 Mar 2009, 9:49 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Considering how people are stigmatized, I don't think I would advertise. Even if you tell them they still hold you responsible for your behaviour, except in the case of mental illnesses like schizophrenia, but even that has become less common.


Asperger's can be used as a defense in court.



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20 Mar 2009, 8:56 am

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A red and white striped came, shorter and heavier that one used by the blind, to routinely beat people with who can't understand what I'm trying to convey or what I want.



ooo, I want one!


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20 Mar 2009, 10:17 am

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Seriously, I can't imagine how to fit an explanation of AS that anyone could quickly comprehend onto something the size of a business card. Seems you'd need a separate card for each aspect of the disorder that might come up. One for exhibiting stims, one for cognitive shutdowns, one for lack of eye contact, three or four for personal space issues and a couple handfuls to throw at everyone during meltdowns.

In my experience, people just don't care to make the mental effort to comprehend what AS or autism in general, is. Dyslexia is simple, they get that; Downs syndrome is obvious, bi-polarity they kinda get but expect you to be medicated for, but autism is just a funky word to NTs. To understand autism, they'd have to sit down and read a bit and most of them consider reading a chore.

I live with an expert on Alzheimer's disease - she can tell you it's effects at every stage and identify what stage a person is in with a two-minute interview - but she left me a note this morning expecting me to make about seven different phone calls to strangers, including getting estimates from a plumbing contractor. I might make one of those calls on a good day, two if I were bouncing off the walls with confidence and energy, but seven socially interactive cold calls in one day!? All she knows about AS is a few paragraphs she's read on WebMD. If someone who lives with an Aspie can't be bothered to understand it's effects, how much empathy can you expect from giving an "I'm disabled" synopsis to a stranger?

The prevailing attitude is "If yore legs ain't broke, you ain't crippled."


Card carrying topic

I spoke to an employment issues counselor at a social services office yesterday and when I explained I had AS (Asperger Syndrome) I immediately detected disbelief. How could someone who identifies as autistic be aware of it? Clearly this is a learning disability (I might have a co-existing learning disability, but AS is not synonymous with a learning disability.) I had enough trouble explaining to her that challenged people have a hard enough time getting hired, and in a tanked economy it just gets worse. Of course I would rather work, even if all the jobs I have ever had do not match my abilities. I do not measure myself through the type of job I have, it is just a necessary pay cheque. But I digress. The point I am making and that I made to her is that people living with AS would like to work, that many of us are not fussy, but mentioning it to an employer would certainly turn the employer off hiring, and many do so even if I have said nothing about AS. But to have a card is a valid option, though, as Willard stated, many people are clueless about what is not visible to them. :?


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20 Mar 2009, 12:00 pm

timeisdead wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Considering how people are stigmatized, I don't think I would advertise. Even if you tell them they still hold you responsible for your behaviour, except in the case of mental illnesses like schizophrenia, but even that has become less common.


Asperger's can be used as a defense in court.


Yes, but rarely does it hold up, because most of us know the difference between right and wrong.


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20 Mar 2009, 1:05 pm

It pisses me off when aspies do try to use it as a defense. Lawyers do it to make money because it's part of their job. Their job is to defend the defendant and when they hear he or she has AS they convince the defendant to use their AS in court. I think the aspie is just as guilty for going along with it. I mean everyone wants to get off. No one wants to go to jail but I mean why be stupid by doing crime? They didn't think they get caught is what.



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20 Mar 2009, 1:39 pm

Well, I bought a WrongPlanet golf shirt and I often wear it places now. Of course, most of the people I come in contact with don't know what WrongPlanet is. They probably think I am into UFO research or something.

So I wear it to choir practice, and I'm sitting at the organ, and like usual everyone thumps me on the back/shoulder and say "Hey, how u doin?"

I want a shirt that says "Hands off."

That would be rude---sorry.

I am about to buy a shirt from cafe express that says something to the extent that I am autistic.

Anyway, I think the idea from whitetiger here is a good one. I would carry one in my billfold. A trip on a train was brought up by xalepax and how a first class seat was given instead of having to sit by people. I don't like the crowded conditions on trains. We have to go to Chicago this summer, and my wife reserved a private sleeping room for us on the AmTrak---mainly because of my AS.


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20 Mar 2009, 2:18 pm

whitetiger wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Considering how people are stigmatized, I don't think I would advertise. Even if you tell them they still hold you responsible for your behaviour, except in the case of mental illnesses like schizophrenia, but even that has become less common.


Asperger's can be used as a defense in court.


Yes, but rarely does it hold up, because most of us know the difference between right and wrong.


I think it's not an excuse or defense for some crimes, but it can be for others.

For example, what about the guy who sends a letter to the White House threatening to "take action" if the government doesn't start providing federal veterinary subsidies to rescue animals fostering in private homes? Say the Asperger person doesn't realize how the "take action" threat might sound like a threat of violence, and seem creepy together with the passionate interest in rescue animals. Or frighten a woman unintentionally while hitting on her in the apartment hallway. To me, it's ridiculously easy for us to do stuff like that, due to communications mishaps that we are constantly making. It's as if the mishaps are more common than successful communication, for some of us.

Really, it's one thing if that's a non-Asperger person and another thing entirely if it is an Asperger person.

(Come to think of it, "I'm an Asperger" Notice letterhead might come in handy, too...)

Also, AS can be raised in the sentencing phase of a trial, to mitigate the guilt.



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20 Mar 2009, 4:12 pm

In some way it sounds good, put in practice I think it'll be a disaster. When people read that, they start to read online about autism and AS, which results in many prejudgmental rubbish, people create an incorrect image of you in their minds, they assume you have all the AS traits. You will get people ask many, many (nasty) questions. They will talk about it, and create an image of you being some insane psycho getting a meltdown after seeing a strawberry or anything. Rubbish goes fast, you know. If I were you, I wouldn't do it.

I say you should not do such a thing, but perhaps it's easier foor me since I never have any meltdowns, or really too weird social situations. Not any more, I've learned to pretend to be normal, I just do whatever the others do. Not that I like it; I can only do it for some period of time.


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