An Aspie Positive - Are We More Insightful?

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14 Apr 2009, 5:01 pm

NTs might be just as insightful but better at rationalizing. While we sit there and think up justifications and excuses, NTs do the same thing only they end it with "who cares that's still no excuse!" NTs are a tough sell unless you can appeal to that intuition of theirs. Cleopatra had an objective in mind when she wrapped herself up in that carpet.
Even then they don't always get it right. Look what happened to Cleo and she's as NT as they get.
NT is "right" 2.048757% of the time. The rest are blunders.



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14 Apr 2009, 5:35 pm

yeah i could relate i always practice what to say to people and always think of what went wrong too.



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14 Apr 2009, 8:06 pm

We learn over time that we miss things. So we make a concerted effort to look for signs and things we might have missed. I think more now about each interaction- was that person just polite? Is there any logic to them wanting to interact with me? What are the signs they're just using me?



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14 Apr 2009, 10:13 pm

Absolutely - those are my same thoughts all of the time. :\


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15 Apr 2009, 3:25 am

AmberEyes wrote:
What if some people never emerge from those rooms and are too socially anxious to come out?


:lol:

(Been there.)



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15 Apr 2009, 1:22 pm

outlier wrote:
AmberEyes wrote:
What if some people never emerge from those rooms and are too socially anxious to come out?


:lol:

(Been there.)


Me too.

I should really have taken sandwiches or something interesting to read.
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15 Apr 2009, 3:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:
One could argue that being "mind blind" is having less insight. Having to cope with our social reality painfully step by step instead of having an intuition that can make leaps and bounds could be construed as a deficiency. What do you think?

You know the old story about blind folks having better hearing etc. than sighted folks. In a way, Aspies receive a compensation for being "mind blind". But is the compensation worth the difficulties and troubles inherent in the deficiency?

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if the acceptance and recognition of neuro-diversity is adopted by the general populace (which is happening, albeit very very very slowly), then yes i would say the cost is worth the reward. i may not be able to understand people when i'm in the moment dealing with them--but the way that i get to see the world, what my visual senses give me as an aspie and an artist....absolutely worth it, without question.

so yes i am people-deficient, but i find richness in life all the same. i think that weighing the worth of our abilities (who's better off than who, etc) is less important in the long run than how we perceive them, ourselves. any quality can be beneficial if it is understood and used positively and constructively. if you see something as a hindrance then it will be. outlook is everything.



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16 Apr 2009, 12:04 am

I don't know if this is completely related to AS/autism but I've always had this strong to understand things "from the ground up". Basically I find myself re-inventing the wheel, deriving my understanding from within rather than accepting "common knowledge" and rote facts. I always need to know why things are the way they are. I also question everything, even myself. I can't help but think this way even if it isn't the most efficient or comforting way to approach the world. It's disconcerting when you realize how much humanity is completely full it.

I think this trait is what make me more insightful than most and I wouldn't give it up for anything. I'm sure things would be easier if I could just "go with the flow" but I can't even imagine being that way. I don't understand people who aren't interested in seeing reality for what it is.



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16 Apr 2009, 1:30 am

Perhaps it's due to the intensity of people with AS and the tendency to focus on the details. Also, people with AS focus extra hard on social situations due to difficulties so are more likely to understand when something (or someone) doesn't seem right.

For example, most people use language and linguistics without even thinking about it, but someone who has studied grammar extenstively would very easily "hear" different usage in people's speech and be more likely to understand when it is used inappropiately.



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16 Apr 2009, 1:53 am

Mind allowing an introverted NT in on this discussion? :)

I do agree somewhat with the "blind man" perception of someone with AS. Someone without the skills of performing socially in this world will need to look at things another way in order to moderate their behavior in this world. But there are even NT's that could give insight into the social behavior of humans.

It really only takes an understanding of a new perspective of a subject to be more insightful about it. If you look at things with a new perspective, you'll probably end up with a more insightful understanding. There are both NTs and people with AS who have this ability to look at things in a new and unconventional way.



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16 Apr 2009, 2:02 am

we have lots of insight. just very little instinct.



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16 Apr 2009, 2:41 am

JeffJ wrote:
we have lots of insight. just very little instinct.

I believe I do have instinct in some areas though. I don't have the ability to organize my thoughts instantly and react on the spot like an NT. Stuff has to churn around a while in my head before I can figure out how to communicate what I want. It's a real pain trying to put my thoughts into words sometimes.



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16 Apr 2009, 3:46 am

marshall wrote:
I don't know if this is completely related to AS/autism but I've always had this strong to understand things "from the ground up". Basically I find myself re-inventing the wheel, deriving my understanding from within rather than accepting "common knowledge" and rote facts. I always need to know why things are the way they are. I also question everything, even myself. I can't help but think this way even if it isn't the most efficient or comforting way to approach the world. It's disconcerting when you realize how much humanity is completely full it.

I think this trait is what make me more insightful than most and I wouldn't give it up for anything. I'm sure things would be easier if I could just "go with the flow" but I can't even imagine being that way. I don't understand people who aren't interested in seeing reality for what it is.


Ill be honest. It actually scares me how so many NT's just go through life spontaneously, without really knowing how or why most of the world works. they only know that it does. they dont care why or what made it work.



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16 Apr 2009, 4:52 am

I'm not sure to what extent NTs live so spontaneously, without questioning things, without analysing to the root or near the root of reality. I'm only sure they don't talk about the insights they have. To some extent they're a lot more intuitive than us rather than analysing, but there's an extent to which they hide their wisdom to fit in with the mindless culture that's (pretended to be?) revered by the masses. I don't underestimate NT's logic and insight ever. I just assume they're not exactly what they're showing themselves to be. Eg: an NT will often say something like "I don't know, it just happened" when in fact it was a conscious process, a choice and an intended action. The fact that an action seems illogical to you doesn't mean it's not obeying some logic that you know nothing about.


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16 Apr 2009, 5:23 am

Greentea wrote:
I'm not sure to what extent NTs live so spontaneously, without questioning things, without analysing to the root or near the root of reality. I'm only sure they don't talk about the insights they have. To some extent they're a lot more intuitive than us rather than analysing, but there's an extent to which they hide their wisdom to fit in with the mindless culture that's (pretended to be?) revered by the masses. I don't underestimate NT's logic and insight ever. I just assume they're not exactly what they're showing themselves to be. Eg: an NT will often say something like "I don't know, it just happened" when in fact it was a conscious process, a choice and an intended action. The fact that an action seems illogical to you doesn't mean it's not obeying some logic that you know nothing about.


I agree completely. However let me make a broad generalisation and say the majority of NTs live by insights acquired from their family or other role models early in life and are only forced to reassess them critically when subjected to major psychological stress. I've found that NTs who are philosophically inclined arrange their metaphysical views to fit their life and experience whereas we aspies are more likely to live out our convictions and follow them to their logical conclusion. We tend to look to philosophy for meaning and validation moreso than NTs. Ours is a long-winded and fundamentally absurd approach but it's the only way.


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