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20 Apr 2009, 9:19 am

I have, or have had, many different stims. Some I had only as a kid, others I still have.

When I got diagnosed, the psychologist wasn't sure if I had AS or PDD-NOS, because he meant that I had too much empathy to be an aspie (hmm... :? ), but he was convinced about AS when I gave him a lecture on my list of 14 different stims.... :lol:

And the whole list of traits that I had made also was more aspie-like than PDD-NOS-like.



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20 Apr 2009, 9:57 am

I stim a lot and I have Asperger's. I finger flap, thumb pop, etc. I believe stimming to be quite common in those of us with AS. You will read a lot about being able to control stims---some can control it, and some cannot. I used to think I could control mine---but then, I find myself uncontrollably doing it---so for me I think it is partly uncontrollable, but at times I can control it to some degree.


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20 Apr 2009, 10:58 am

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BTW for daniel, Aspergers DSM...II (C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)


I'm not Daniel, but in the expanded text that explains that criterion it does say that this criterion is possible but uncommon for anyone with AS to have you know.

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As in Autistic Disorder, restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, and activities are present [...] Often these are primarily manifest in the development of encompassing preoccupations about a circumscribed topic or interest, about which the individual can amass a great deal of facts and information [...]

and about the differential diagnosis between classical autism and AS it says
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Furthermore, in Autistic Disorder, restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped interests and activities are often characterized by the presence of motor mannerisms, preoccupation with parts of objects, rituals, and marked distress in change, whereas in Asperger's Disorder these are primarily observed in the all-encompassing pursuit of a circumscribed interest involving a topic to which the individual devotes inordinate amounts of time amassing information and facts.


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20 Apr 2009, 12:27 pm

I loooove spinning, either on an office chair or I stand on one foot and push myself round and round with the other, usually to fast music or when I'm really happy.
but ONLY when I'm on my own, I want to maintain what little street cred I have :lol:


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20 Apr 2009, 3:12 pm

I have come to realize obvious stimulation behavior while working and having enjoyable things (reading, computing):

1) Wiggle my legs side to side.
2) Rock my chair. Kitchen table or other situation
3) Walking to release stress, pretty fast walker (but don't enjoy head pounding of running, especially older I get)

I guess all involve leg movements for me personally.

Eventually I corrected for these as they drew attention. BUt I think at a big cost of mental instability /chemical imbalance. The worst was a pattern of falling asleep by crossing legs back and forth over each other, I almost considered it ping pong. Once I got married, mmy wife HATED this. Took me line 1 year of trying ot fully sotp it.. Probably the biggest mistake of my life both mental and physical health. If' I'd only realized (undiagnosed). It was a natural stress releif, and i've since read this is significant calories and activity.

the worst, only realized with deep thinking the past 2 days

My worst simming:

In crows or stress relationship. I TALK TOO MUCH! I try to dominate the talking.

1.Talking myself blocks out need to process noise. Like a cocktail party, lots of conversations.
1a. (I notice I like to take laptop to bars, reading helps me deal with noise, or writing.)

2. Talking controls the processing oof listening. Listining and understanding is harder, especially in fluff conversations at a cocktail party - or In a stressfull conversation with a mate. By talking and dominating, I push out that need to process as much listening and emotional response..

3. boring people to walk away. it's a defense shield. I'm not sure, but I can see maybe it is naturally used this way.

One-sided conversation was a symptom of AS I had read that now connects with me in a bad way.

God, I'm a jerk and selfish! No wonder I have no friends.



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20 Apr 2009, 3:43 pm

Pacing and chewing things are my two main stims, I think. I find it very hard to just sit and will nearly always get up and pace. I've tried hard to make it look more 'natural', as if I'm just casually wandering around looking at things, but I'm sure it must become a bit obvious to other people after a while that that's not the case...

I do pace a lot more if I'm angry, upset or otherwise stressed. I'll go and deliberately do it for an hour or more to unwind.

Chewing: I stick virtually everything in my mouth. I keep 'chew toys' (usually odd bits of plastic) in places where I'm going to be sitting for extended periods of time like the computer desk.



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20 Apr 2009, 4:35 pm

TobyZ wrote:
I have come to realize obvious stimulation behavior while working and having enjoyable things (reading, computing):

1) Wiggle my legs side to side.
2) Rock my chair. Kitchen table or other situation
3) Walking to release stress, pretty fast walker (but don't enjoy head pounding of running, especially older I get)

I guess all involve leg movements for me personally.

Eventually I corrected for these as they drew attention. BUt I think at a big cost of mental instability /chemical imbalance. The worst was a pattern of falling asleep by crossing legs back and forth over each other, I almost considered it ping pong. Once I got married, mmy wife HATED this. Took me line 1 year of trying ot fully sotp it.. Probably the biggest mistake of my life both mental and physical health. If' I'd only realized (undiagnosed). It was a natural stress releif, and i've since read this is significant calories and activity.

the worst, only realized with deep thinking the past 2 days

My worst simming:

In crows or stress relationship. I TALK TOO MUCH! I try to dominate the talking.

1.Talking myself blocks out need to process noise. Like a cocktail party, lots of conversations.
1a. (I notice I like to take laptop to bars, reading helps me deal with noise, or writing.)

2. Talking controls the processing oof listening. Listining and understanding is harder, especially in fluff conversations at a cocktail party - or In a stressfull conversation with a mate. By talking and dominating, I push out that need to process as much listening and emotional response..

3. boring people to walk away. it's a defense shield. I'm not sure, but I can see maybe it is naturally used this way.

One-sided conversation was a symptom of AS I had read that now connects with me in a bad way.

God, I'm a jerk and selfish! No wonder I have no friends.


You are not a jerk, or selfish topic

I do what you do except 1a.

And I hand flap when I am excited and a bit manic. Sensitive, caring people will not judge you.


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20 Apr 2009, 5:20 pm

Sora wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
BTW for daniel, Aspergers DSM...II (C) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g. hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)


I'm not Daniel, but in the expanded text that explains that criterion it does say that this criterion is possible but uncommon for anyone with AS to have you know.

Quote:
As in Autistic Disorder, restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, and activities are present [...] Often these are primarily manifest in the development of encompassing preoccupations about a circumscribed topic or interest, about which the individual can amass a great deal of facts and information [...]

and about the differential diagnosis between classical autism and AS it says
Quote:
Furthermore, in Autistic Disorder, restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped interests and activities are often characterized by the presence of motor mannerisms, preoccupation with parts of objects, rituals, and marked distress in change, whereas in Asperger's Disorder these are primarily observed in the all-encompassing pursuit of a circumscribed interest involving a topic to which the individual devotes inordinate amounts of time amassing information and facts.


I was diagnosed as AS instead of HFA solely based on the absence of any delay in speech; the nature and strong intensity of my autistic characteristics did not underlie the distinction. In the DSM expanded text, there are examples of a number of other general (but not categorical) differences between Autistic Disorder and Asperger's, for which my behaviour overall is much closer to HFA than Asperger's. Most notable is the repetitive behaviour stuff. I am almost constantly stimming in some manner or other, often two, three, even four distinct and unrelated motions at a time (who said autistics can't multitask?) I also have major repetitive thought issues and numerous rituals, and there is constantly music playing in my head. There is certainly not a clear, unambiguous delineation between AS and HFA, which continues to fuel the ongoing debate for the DSM V as to whether there is a difference at all.



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21 Apr 2009, 12:18 am

I thought all autistics stim no matter the diagnosis or how mild or severe they are. Even if its simple as jiggling their leg or rolling their eyes a lot, i didnt know otherwise, interesting... I also notice some neurotypicals stim but not in the sense autistics do so, for instance my mother loves to doodle, or even flickers her fingers in front of her face or at the corner of her eyes, my brothers loves to move his leg, clap sometimes when excited, and is constantly moving, it is normal for normal ppl but its not done to the extreme as somebody with autism.

Im always doing some sort of stim, whether it be noises(screeching, screaming, doing this weird talking but in like babbling to myself, saying parts of words like baaa or eeeee over and over, or verbally repeating words, or phrases etc), facial movements(i love to curl my lips over my teeth, bite my lips til they bleed or my tongue, always clicking my tongue against my teeth, making weird faces, etc), body movements(rocking, bouncing, spinning, climbing, jumping, headshaking, swaying etc), hand or feet movements(finger twisting, finger flicker, flapping, opening and closing my hands, playing with my toes/feet, etc), self injurious stims(headbanging, punching myself or hitting myself, scratching or biting myself, slammin my body against the floor etc) then theres stuff i stim off of like staring at lights for the corner of my eye or rubbing my rubber keyboard, stuff like that.

Somebody once told me that stimming also defines a functioning label, like if somebody stims in public more like without trying to hide it, their seen more as moderate functioning rather then high functioning, or if all their doing is stimming nothing else not even communicating or socializing their seen as severe, I don't think thats true, but i dont know.


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21 Apr 2009, 12:25 am

MONKEY wrote:
I loooove spinning, either on an office chair or I stand on one foot and push myself round and round with the other, usually to fast music or when I'm really happy.
but ONLY when I'm on my own, I want to maintain what little street cred I have :lol:


Spinning is great. I only do it in my office chair though... I don't think the coordination to do it one one foot. :lol:



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21 Apr 2009, 5:31 am

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Im always doing some sort of stim, whether it be noises(screeching, screaming, doing this weird talking but in like babbling to myself, saying parts of words like baaa or eeeee over and over, or verbally repeating words, or phrases etc)[...]


I'm always saying eeee. :lol: Also OOOh. My verbal repetitions become very frequent under stress, which I've had a lot of recently. I'll keep babbling and singing jibberish, especially upon waking. It's quite soothing. I always inhibit these behaviors in public, but have let a few slip out by accident.

Other stims I have: almost constantly flicking my finger tips in my hair, I catch myself rocking a lot these days, hand flapping when anxious or happy, clapping rapidly when excited, flapping fingers on people to show affection/excitement, and visual stimming. There is less stimming when I am under less stress in general; now, even a minor change in routine, such as someone trying to show me something yesterday, will feel painful, and I'll stim for comfort.

I reckon that many diagnosed AS try to conceal these somewhat in public or in front of professionals. I know I certainly do. I rarely even detail such things on here.



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21 Apr 2009, 11:26 am

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Somebody once told me that stimming also defines a functioning label, like if somebody stims in public more like without trying to hide it, their seen more as moderate functioning rather then high functioning, or if all their doing is stimming nothing else not even communicating or socializing their seen as severe, I don't think thats true, but i dont know.


No I don't think that's true either, I'm considered very mild and I'm pretty HF but I still stim like a mad-woman. And I don't hide most of them.


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21 Apr 2009, 1:52 pm

I think lots of obvious slimming behaviors is going to get you diagnosed or considering autism a lot more than those who do not so obviously stim.



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21 Apr 2009, 4:41 pm

I don't sit still much. I stim.



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22 Apr 2009, 9:41 am

outlier wrote:
Age1600 wrote:
Im always doing some sort of stim, whether it be noises(screeching, screaming, doing this weird talking but in like babbling to myself, saying parts of words like baaa or eeeee over and over, or verbally repeating words, or phrases etc)[...]


I'm always saying eeee. :lol: Also OOOh. My verbal repetitions become very frequent under stress, which I've had a lot of recently. I'll keep babbling and singing jibberish, especially upon waking. It's quite soothing. I always inhibit these behaviors in public, but have let a few slip out by accident.


8O I didn't know that this type of thing counted as a stim.

Sometimes I make repetitive noises. I also make up songs on the spot, replacing the lyrics of an existing song with random ones related to something I've just seen or am doing.



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22 Apr 2009, 4:46 pm

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I also make up songs on the spot, replacing the lyrics of an existing song with random ones related to something I've just seen or am doing.

Me too! I've done that since I was a child. I also bite my knuckles and my lips, and repeatedly shake my foot.