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28 Apr 2009, 5:52 pm

I've discovered that when I meet up with someone I know well but haven't seen in a while it can be as awkward as meeting up with an acquaintance, as if I've forgotten the particular rules that apply to socialising with that person. & always, whether on- or off-line, I prefer talking to someone 1 on 1. Also, smalltalk is a chore, I prefer to exchange information, or, even better, argue with people, but not everyone seems to appreciate that.



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28 Apr 2009, 6:01 pm

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I've a feeling I'm going to be alone on this (no pun intended).

I feel I'm so socially inept, bad at small talk and shy that I'm scared of talking to people even online.

Forums are different - There's always one or two particular topics of conversation in any thread, your not communicating with one person in particular and everyone seems no more than one-dimensional names on a screen - It's anonymous and nonthreatening, easily be terminated if needs be. There's just something safe about the whole affair that's lacking in one-to-one conversations online. Talking to one person in particular makes me feel trapped and locked-in to the conversation, panicking for something to say. I can't back out of them without it looking bad, so I avoid them.

But here's the problem - I crave one-to-one connections. While I'm usually happy enough alone, there are times when I just want someone who I can bond with. There have been small forums I've been on for years, but have never made any close friends through. I've tried these dating sites, gotten messages and ignored them because I don't know how to respond.

I don't want to be completely alone, but I'm terrified of other people. Lose-lose situation.


Hi, Nothingunusual. I'm very much the same as what you say here. You're very welcome to communicate with me one-to-one. Please do. The wheels are in motion for my own diagnosis now, since my preliminary consultation with a spectrum specialist last week. She also runs an Asperger discussion group which I hope to visit and I hope to be able to tell you about that very soon.



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28 Apr 2009, 6:06 pm

nothingunusual wrote:
I guess the AS makes it hard to communicate to people and the phobia/anxiety is an outcome of that. Both might exacerbate the other.


Yeah I have also thought about that, which one takes out the other. But I realised that both do have impact on each other and just make it a bad circle. To be uncertain of socialisation due to AS and at the same time beeing affraid of other people due to SF is a powerless combination!
In IRL Im just a ghost, very spare in talking and I somehow avoid people but I also can miss them..I think more than I say...


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When you see others experiencing happiness from their connections you can't help but feel like your missing out on something.


Oh yeah tell me about it. Today I was in the city shopping. It was okay this day as I could "cut off" myself from the surroundings in a relaxing way and focus on what to do.
But other days I can feel incredible lonely in the big crowd seeing everyone around having fun and shopping together.


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28 Apr 2009, 11:58 pm

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I agree with you there. Almost everytime I turn on my laptop I sign myself off MSN straight away so noone says hi, unless I have alot to say and once I've said it all I sign off again


I do sort of the same thing, only I set my MSN to "appear offline" as the default status. I talk to people only if I'm mentally ready for a "hi."



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30 Apr 2009, 8:31 am

Probably trite, but I find hobbies help. Peer interest groups, whether IRL or online.

I can immerse myself in the hobby talk tech., semantics, philosophy or doctrine long past the point at which anyone but a fellow nerd would be bored.

Gradually I notice, by accident or design, that little bits of 'me' slip into the conversation, it'll be in comparing something, or explaining how an incident in my life helped me work something related to the topic in hand out. Equally, upon reviewing conversations I realise that I've taken on board quite a bit about the people I've been talking to. Again, indirectly. Once you recognise that you're doing it and that it is possible to talk about you to someone it becomes easier to do it without relation to something else...

I'm rambling, aren't I?

Of course it has it's pitfalls, I become so obsessed with the minutiae of the topics I'm interested in that "normal" people think me either a crashing bore or a "know all". I can also fall into the trap of relating everything to my own experience and seeming hideously narcissistic to most. Which I am anything but.

Not sure how clear all that is.... Perhaps I should try and relate it to something.... :P



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30 Apr 2009, 10:08 pm

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Here on this forum I like to talk but sometimes I can feel Im talking to myself when walking around some random topics. But I dont feel alone here when I enter a topic with a theme I can relate to, and then reply too, like this one. The best is to see my posts gets quoted because when someone recognise themselves in what I say!


Same here. Having someone relate to my experience or POV is validating in a world where being invalidated has been the norm.

I don't think all those people who seem to be socialising well are neccesarily having such a great time as a lot of it is an act, the white lie face-saving social 'skills' that compel NT's to pretend that all is well and let's all be friendly, but then they spread gossip about the friend they previously greeted so happily in similar circumstances. Am I the only one who sees this hypocrisy? (Says I hypocritically gossiping about 'them').


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30 Apr 2009, 11:54 pm

It's difficult for me to process information in real time, so online chat and whatnot is difficult. I find it worse than face to face even, because face to face I can just let stuff fly even if it doesn't quite work and adapt... online I'm always editing what I say trying to convey my exact meaning and I end up not saying anything or saying it too slowly. Speed is important...

My personality follows me and I find the communication patterns online are exactly the same in real life. I never quite fit in... Online is supposed to be this haven for those with social problems... I find it exactly the same.


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01 May 2009, 12:14 am

I find much online correspondence to be really difficult and tiresome...back and forth e-mail conversations...I read them and regard them...but though I may think about responses...I am not always the most reciprocal....I even have local aspie friends IRL who write to me on facebook, and I have a really hard time responding. I will give the answers a lot of thought..but then not answer..or my answers will be very short...and it is not that I don't care..I just find responding to be sorta stressful.....I am pretty self-centered in my ability to endlessly post on forums and be so non reciprocal with interpersonal communication. Hopefully, they as aspies will understand...just as when they come over, I am not always able to socialize very much with them.



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01 May 2009, 12:20 am

This is why most of my social interaction online is via a game (WoW <.< ) which at least gets me something to talk about :p Even when i log in. It also promotes coordination, which could be somewhat important as you need to know how to work with others in groups (and ofc, deal with them socially).



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01 May 2009, 2:54 am

RarePegs wrote:
nothingunusual wrote:
I've a feeling I'm going to be alone on this (no pun intended).

I feel I'm so socially inept, bad at small talk and shy that I'm scared of talking to people even online.

Forums are different - There's always one or two particular topics of conversation in any thread, your not communicating with one person in particular and everyone seems no more than one-dimensional names on a screen - It's anonymous and nonthreatening, easily be terminated if needs be. There's just something safe about the whole affair that's lacking in one-to-one conversations online. Talking to one person in particular makes me feel trapped and locked-in to the conversation, panicking for something to say. I can't back out of them without it looking bad, so I avoid them.

But here's the problem - I crave one-to-one connections. While I'm usually happy enough alone, there are times when I just want someone who I can bond with. There have been small forums I've been on for years, but have never made any close friends through. I've tried these dating sites, gotten messages and ignored them because I don't know how to respond.

I don't want to be completely alone, but I'm terrified of other people. Lose-lose situation.


Hi, Nothingunusual. I'm very much the same as what you say here. You're very welcome to communicate with me one-to-one. Please do. The wheels are in motion for my own diagnosis now, since my preliminary consultation with a spectrum specialist last week. She also runs an Asperger discussion group which I hope to visit and I hope to be able to tell you about that very soon.


The discussion group referred to was due to be on Wednesday night but unfortunately it was cancelled and the next one is on the wrong night of the week for me with other commitments



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01 May 2009, 4:31 am

I find virtual relating much easier and i find the time lapse beneficial. I can process written words easier than if i have to deal with people face to face. I can deal with people one on one. If there is a group of people i always tend to focus on one person.

I collect facebook friends like objects.
I talk one on one with people on facebook chat and it is fine now. But this is at 46 after social skills training and learned bits and pieces from 12 step programs.

I still however spend most of my time alone or seeking alone time.

In my 20's i could not even answer the phone and my family had coded rings to get through to me. two rings...hang up...ring again.
THings can and do improve with age and effort. But the inclination? I am torn between loathing social contact with people and craving it because of that ASD loneliness and the wish to truly bond with others.



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01 May 2009, 6:02 am

millie wrote:
my family had coded rings to get through to me. two rings...hang up...ring again.


I wish I could remember the name of the spy film that this reminds me of, in which there was "the drill" of one ring, thirty seconds, two rings :wink:



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01 May 2009, 6:12 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
I will give the answers a lot of thought..but then not answer..or my answers will be very short...and it is not that I don't care..I just find responding to be sorta stressful.....I am pretty self-centered in my ability to endlessly post on forums and be so non reciprocal with interpersonal communication.


Same apply to me. Its a bigger step to reply personal emails and such than writing something spontaniously on the forum. But I think of it everyday, that I should reply and I never forget to reply but its like walking up a high hill to get myself to reply in the first place and when got the energy to start walking up (read replying) I do care with my full heart!


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