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08 May 2009, 8:42 pm

mm the cruelty and 'grandiosity' is very sociopath. I can understand why people want to pass themselves off as having AS, but it doesn't help us. The only thing that strikes me as AS about your story is the honesty and frankness of admitting to your cruelty and grandiosity, but then sociopaths don't care what others think.

'light' sociopathy is actually pretty (NT) normal, as is 'light' narcissism. My mother was a narcissist and it's something I've tried to eradicate from my personality as I never want to be like her.



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08 May 2009, 8:52 pm

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If the adult was strong willed, I would cry and play the victim and seek shelter at someone else and have them sympathize with me.

So did every kid I grew up with.



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08 May 2009, 8:53 pm

It sounds like there is definitely some narcissism there, along with anti-social, or another personality disorder. dunno about the AS



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08 May 2009, 9:26 pm

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However, since I live at home I'm not economically crippled and can actually buy stuff, it's also the main reason why I'm not leaving home. I don't want to sit in an apartment all alone with no future and maybe $300 to use as I please every month. As it is now I can save or spend $1200 per month, or so. I had cosmetic surgery and I buy designer clothes. If I just lived on my own with poor economy I wouldn't even have that as a purpose. I would have nothing in my life. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to make me happy.

Since you come from an upper-middle class family, that is a waste of tax dollars. The taxpayers are the ones who are footing the bill for you. Socialism truly disgusts me. Cosmetic surgery and designer clothes with government dollars? That is sinking to a new low. Maybe you should call up the octomom for a night on the town!



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08 May 2009, 9:43 pm

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However, since I live at home I'm not economically crippled and can actually buy stuff, it's also the main reason why I'm not leaving home. I don't want to sit in an apartment all alone with no future and maybe $300 to use as I please every month. As it is now I can save or spend $1200 per month, or so. I had cosmetic surgery and I buy designer clothes. If I just lived on my own with poor economy I wouldn't even have that as a purpose. I would have nothing in my life. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to make me happy.

Since you come from an upper-middle class family, that is a waste of tax dollars. The taxpayers are the ones who are footing the bill for you. Socialism truly disgusts me. Cosmetic surgery and designer clothes with government dollars? That is sinking to a new low. Maybe you should call up the octomom for a night on the town!


relax, they are in Sweden, and it's not Socialism it's Collectiveism. I would like to remind you we don't insult other members.

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08 May 2009, 10:26 pm

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However, since I live at home I'm not economically crippled and can actually buy stuff, it's also the main reason why I'm not leaving home. I don't want to sit in an apartment all alone with no future and maybe $300 to use as I please every month. As it is now I can save or spend $1200 per month, or so. I had cosmetic surgery and I buy designer clothes. If I just lived on my own with poor economy I wouldn't even have that as a purpose. I would have nothing in my life. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to make me happy.

Since you come from an upper-middle class family, that is a waste of tax dollars. The taxpayers are the ones who are footing the bill for you. Socialism truly disgusts me. Cosmetic surgery and designer clothes with government dollars? That is sinking to a new low. Maybe you should call up the octomom for a night on the town!


relax, they are in Sweden, and it's not Socialism it's Collectiveism. I would like to remind you we don't insult other members.

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Sorry for the insulting remarks but I just abhor the thought that many people who are on assistance don't truly need it.



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08 May 2009, 10:31 pm

I have trouble with small talk, interacting with large groups (when it's not one sided), and interacting with preppy neurotypicals. I am much better with one on one or one on two communication. I absolutely love to negotiate and reason in order to get past the rules. It often works because I know how to think two steps ahead and can be very persuasive. I am aggressive by nature and arguing is my passion. People tell me I would make an excellent attorney.



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08 May 2009, 11:25 pm

timeisdead wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
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However, since I live at home I'm not economically crippled and can actually buy stuff, it's also the main reason why I'm not leaving home. I don't want to sit in an apartment all alone with no future and maybe $300 to use as I please every month. As it is now I can save or spend $1200 per month, or so. I had cosmetic surgery and I buy designer clothes. If I just lived on my own with poor economy I wouldn't even have that as a purpose. I would have nothing in my life. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to make me happy.

Since you come from an upper-middle class family, that is a waste of tax dollars. The taxpayers are the ones who are footing the bill for you. Socialism truly disgusts me. Cosmetic surgery and designer clothes with government dollars? That is sinking to a new low. Maybe you should call up the octomom for a night on the town!


relax, they are in Sweden, and it's not Socialism it's Collectiveism. I would like to remind you we don't insult other members.

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Sorry for the insulting remarks but I just abhor the thought that many people who are on assistance don't truly need it.


Same here and I didn't find your opinion insulting. I do find taking advantage of taxpayers to spend on things you don't need and assistance you don't really need as insulting especially when they are passing themselves off as aspies.

Sometimes I've found with alot of people, you are what you stand up for.



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08 May 2009, 11:39 pm

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I told people
I lectured
get under their skin
break them down


It seems to me that you did a whole lot of talking. I don’t think people with Asperger’s verbalize that much. But what do I know.



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08 May 2009, 11:46 pm

kittenmeow wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
timeisdead wrote:
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However, since I live at home I'm not economically crippled and can actually buy stuff, it's also the main reason why I'm not leaving home. I don't want to sit in an apartment all alone with no future and maybe $300 to use as I please every month. As it is now I can save or spend $1200 per month, or so. I had cosmetic surgery and I buy designer clothes. If I just lived on my own with poor economy I wouldn't even have that as a purpose. I would have nothing in my life. Nothing to look forward to, nothing to make me happy.

Since you come from an upper-middle class family, that is a waste of tax dollars. The taxpayers are the ones who are footing the bill for you. Socialism truly disgusts me. Cosmetic surgery and designer clothes with government dollars? That is sinking to a new low. Maybe you should call up the octomom for a night on the town!


relax, they are in Sweden, and it's not Socialism it's Collectiveism. I would like to remind you we don't insult other members.

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Sorry for the insulting remarks but I just abhor the thought that many people who are on assistance don't truly need it.


Same here and I didn't find your opinion insulting. I do find taking advantage of taxpayers to spend on things you don't need and assistance you don't really need as insulting especially when they are passing themselves off as aspies.

Sometimes I've found with alot of people, you are what you stand up for.


I find it especially insulting that she lives in an upper-middle class household yet takes in $1500 a month in disability without having to do any real work. In my personal life I have realized through experience that the vast majority of people on government assistance simply sponge off the system without any true necessity. Those who truly are in need of assistance are often rejected. The middle class is stuck footing the bill for welfare leeches and Wall Street bloodsuckers.



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09 May 2009, 3:49 am

Odd as this sounds, while you might well have some other kind of sociopathic disorder, I don't think you're a true narcissist.

You clearly realize there's a problem, and you realize that the problem is in fact within you, the way your mind works. The vast majority of narcissists think that they're perfect and that it's anyone who dares thwart their mighty will who has the problem. Also, while they're the most manipulative creatures on God's earth, they'd never admit to it like you just did. (And they're usually manipulative enough to make rather more of a success of their lives than you have, although I suppose it depends what you regard as 'success'.)

You will get the odd narcissist who admits to what they are and will use it, as they use everything and everyone else, to their advantage. (Look up Sam Vaknin for one such person, who actually spends his time informing people of the dangers of narcissism. He's not a mental health professional, and other people in the field are convinced it's mostly an ego trip on his part.) Such cases are, however, pretty rare. I think.

Sociopaths of other kinds may not care what others think of them, but narcissists definitely do. Image is everything to them. Your cosmetic surgery and designer clothes fit that, but admitting you have a mental health problem of any kind doesn't. So if you are a narcissist, I think you're an unusual one.


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09 May 2009, 4:06 am

By the way,

kids (especially those with other difficulties of all kinds) can have oppositional defiant disorder but that's generally still a far cry from psychopathy.

Lots of kids with ADHD (hyperactive type) have ODD.

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Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level.
1. often loses temper
2. often argues with adults
3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
4. often deliberately annoys people
5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
7. is often angry and resentful
8. is often spiteful or vindictive
2. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.
3. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood disorder.
4. Criteria are not met for Conduct Disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial personality disorder.


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09 May 2009, 5:17 am

Your thinking sounds rather grandiose. Have you ever been treated for mania?



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09 May 2009, 7:49 am

Sora wrote:
By the way,

kids (especially those with other difficulties of all kinds) can have oppositional defiant disorder but that's generally still a far cry from psychopathy.

Lots of kids with ADHD (hyperactive type) have ODD.

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1. A pattern of negativistic, hostile, and defiant behavior lasting at least 6 months, during which four (or more) of the following are present:
Note: Consider a criterion met only if the behavior occurs more frequently than is typically observed in individuals of comparable age and developmental level.
1. often loses temper
2. often argues with adults
3. often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults' requests or rules
4. often deliberately annoys people
5. often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
6. is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
7. is often angry and resentful
8. is often spiteful or vindictive
2. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.
3. The behaviors do not occur exclusively during the course of a Psychotic or Mood disorder.
4. Criteria are not met for Conduct Disorder, and, if the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial personality disorder.


All the criteria fit me perfectly, to be honest.

And about leeching off government money, I don't think I am since I'm obviously unable to hold a job and go to school because I get into conflicts with people, lose my concentration and think "f**k this".

I also agree that if I was a real narcist I probably would find ways to manipulate my way instead of starting open conflicts and demand that people bow to me.



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09 May 2009, 12:37 pm

Hi Zoonic.
I am much the same way as you are and I can explain why you are the way that you are. The reason you are a narcissist/sociopath (not a psychopath) is because your mother was one, and she was one because her mother was one. It has nothing to do with asperger's. When you were a baby (you were an extremely sensitive and emotionally intuitive baby) you were traumatized by your mother's lack of true love for you and were made to feel worthless, and my guess is that deep down you have always felt worthless even if not on the surface of your being. Since you have always felt worthless you have always tried to make others feel the same way you do, and try to be better than other people to make them admire you. When you interact with the world you do not use your true self, you use a false self.

Have you ever taken the MBTI personality test? My guess is that you are either an INFP or an ENFP, which is basically a personality type that is deeply empathic and caring about other people, and understands people extremely well. It is the nature of your true self to be kind to other people, however your disconnection from your true self and lack of love and self respect cause you to act the way you usually do and hate people subconsciously. This is because you hate yourself subconsciously. Hitler was exactly the same way, as am I. The difference is that I am now trying to heal my emotional trauma I have suffered through my life from my narcissistic mother as well as being a sensitive aspie in a world full of harsh NT's.

If you want healing (which is possible no matter what any professional or internet site claims) you just have to get in touch with your true self with meditation and start clearing emotional debris and feeling pains and negative thoughts you have suppressed. This is a painful and lengthy process which I understand you may not have the desire to go through, but it is the only way for you to become the person nature intended you to be.



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09 May 2009, 1:39 pm

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Hi Zoonic.
I am much the same way as you are and I can explain why you are the way that you are. The reason you are a narcissist/sociopath (not a psychopath) is because your mother was one, and she was one because her mother was one. It has nothing to do with asperger's. When you were a baby (you were an extremely sensitive and emotionally intuitive baby) you were traumatized by your mother's lack of true love for you and were made to feel worthless, and my guess is that deep down you have always felt worthless even if not on the surface of your being. Since you have always felt worthless you have always tried to make others feel the same way you do, and try to be better than other people to make them admire you. When you interact with the world you do not use your true self, you use a false self.

Have you ever taken the MBTI personality test? My guess is that you are either an INFP or an ENFP, which is basically a personality type that is deeply empathic and caring about other people, and understands people extremely well. It is the nature of your true self to be kind to other people, however your disconnection from your true self and lack of love and self respect cause you to act the way you usually do and hate people subconsciously. This is because you hate yourself subconsciously. Hitler was exactly the same way, as am I. The difference is that I am now trying to heal my emotional trauma I have suffered through my life from my narcissistic mother as well as being a sensitive aspie in a world full of harsh NT's.

If you want healing (which is possible no matter what any professional or internet site claims) you just have to get in touch with your true self with meditation and start clearing emotional debris and feeling pains and negative thoughts you have suppressed. This is a painful and lengthy process which I understand you may not have the desire to go through, but it is the only way for you to become the person nature intended you to be.


Amazing, I never thought anyone would really understand this. I believe what you say is true, because it all makes so much sense.