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09 May 2009, 7:59 pm

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Really?

I feel odd. None of my imaginative stories have me in them. 8O

When I say I imagine out stories, it means I imagine out stories. It's odd, because I'm quite mean to my characters, I wouldn't want to be like any of my them right now:

One is a healer locked up in a mental asylum, One is dying of a new pandemic virus which I created, One has the same virus but got it when it first went around so he is immune, one has magnetic powers but is also dying because of the berserk iron content in her blood, another one is her lover but doesn't love her back. My characters have been burned, stomped on, murdered, diseased, dehydrated, and all matter of horrible things have happened to them.

I lay around all day and play with these scenarios, too. 8O

My character has been suicidal for a few years. I suppose it reflects the way I feel sometimes. My imagination only has me in it when I am thinking about an upcoming event in time and how to better cope with it, but I can be really negative about it.


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09 May 2009, 8:05 pm

im the same way :D



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10 May 2009, 12:30 am

There is nothing in the diagnostic criteria for asperger's about lack of imagination.

My son is diagnosed with AS, and he has an incredibly rich fantasy world. In fact, practically everything he says is regarding some fantasy world that he has built around his various special interests. Just five minutes ago he was describing a scenario in which characters from Starcraft are playing a game where the loser gets a cream pie in his face, and the winner gets to choose the next activity. He also talks a lot about a character he made up named Samantha the Pirate, who creates new life forms in her mad science lab. There is so much of this stuff in his mind that there is barely room for anything else.

I've never sought a diagnosis for myself, but I believe I'm at least pretty darn close to being an aspie, and I have a rich fantasy world, too, although not like my son.

There is a book called "Parenting Your Asperger Child" by Alan Sohn, Ed.D. and Cathy Grayson, M.A., which I read a few years ago when my son was first diagnosed. In it, they divide AS kids into several subgroups, one of which they called "Fantasy Boy". That was the first time I had read any book that acknowledged the fact that some AS kids (and, it follows, adults) have a rich fantasy life. In fact the fantasy life is kind of the main thing.
It was reassuring to read that, because the other books I had read seemed to only focus on kids who collect facts and are rigid about rules, which didn't fit my son.



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10 May 2009, 9:01 am

pensieve wrote:
Whatsherhame wrote:
Really?

I feel odd. None of my imaginative stories have me in them. 8O

When I say I imagine out stories, it means I imagine out stories. It's odd, because I'm quite mean to my characters, I wouldn't want to be like any of my them right now:

One is a healer locked up in a mental asylum, One is dying of a new pandemic virus which I created, One has the same virus but got it when it first went around so he is immune, one has magnetic powers but is also dying because of the berserk iron content in her blood, another one is her lover but doesn't love her back. My characters have been burned, stomped on, murdered, diseased, dehydrated, and all matter of horrible things have happened to them.

I lay around all day and play with these scenarios, too. 8O

My character has been suicidal for a few years. I suppose it reflects the way I feel sometimes. My imagination only has me in it when I am thinking about an upcoming event in time and how to better cope with it, but I can be really negative about it.


I'm the same way...But I hope to god my imagination doesn't reflect the way I feel some times, otherwise I'll need therapy later in life. 8O



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10 May 2009, 9:48 am

Yes I think up whole films in my head with characters, story lines, soundtracks etc. I have a very vivid imagination and I often go off into a fnatasy land.


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10 May 2009, 5:19 pm

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I was afraid someone would say that..Schizoid is so friggin scary man....Being an Aspie is a cool little disability....being an NLD'er is just a cool mental condition....but if I am "Schizo" I am scared to death.


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I dunno. I've always been worried that I'm actually schizoid.... which is so f***ing scary because if you're schizoid... can't you always go full-blown schizophrenic at some point?


What you are saying is like saying:

"I am diagnosed with AIDS, but I am very afraid that I have a flu instead".

Let's see - you (both) are diagnosed with a very severe condition (Asperger's Syndrome) and you are afraid that, instead of it, you have an allmost harmful condition (Schizoid PD)?

This don't make much sense.



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10 May 2009, 5:46 pm

Wow. That wasn't offensive or anything. Aspergers doesn't kill you. AIDS does.

What I meant was that Aspergers is stable. Conditions on the schizophrenia spectrum aren't. Differentiating between the two is incredibly important.



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10 May 2009, 6:17 pm

MizLiz wrote:
Wow. That wasn't offensive or anything. Aspergers doesn't kill you. AIDS does.


Well, perhaps I was a bit extreme in my metaphor, I admit (and I am sorry)


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What I meant was that Aspergers is stable. Conditions on the schizophrenia spectrum aren't. Differentiating between the two is incredibly important.


The probability of SPD degenerate in schizophrenia is higher than to the general population, but I think that is low in absolute levels.

But, thinking a bit more about the issue, I recognize that can be some logict in prefering AS to SPD. It is the alternative between having a stable severe condition (AS) and having a mild condition (SPD) that, hipotetically, can evolve to a very severe condition (schiziophrenia). Some people will prefer the first option, other the second (it like choosing between a low income job with high carrer prospects and a medium income job with no carrer prospect).



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10 May 2009, 6:38 pm

Let me put it this way, imaginative play used to be a make or break for AS, not so much anymore.

I meet all the AS dsm-iv criteria, but back when i was in school, it was dsmiii, and as was not defined.

The one thing i did have as a kid was an imagination, and an overly elaborate one at that. (btw I am diagnosed with NLD) I used to hold parlimentary proceedure with my stuffed toys, and i am american!

The one thing they have noticed with people with nld though, is the kids and adults have the ability to create overly elaborate fantasy worlds up to creating functioning societies and social structures, this was definately the case with me, and i added another layer by creating a functioning language and mythology.
One example i read is a child with AS would play with a toy deconstructing its various parts, while the child with nld will create an elaborate world with as many toys at their disposal and create social constructs. NLD kids are known to be daydreamers.

Alot of both though is based on children, and yes generalized.

There is a similarity with nld and schizotypal/schizoid pd in that respect, the difference is the nld child wants to socialize but is heald back by social deficits. One of the problems i had to deal with is the imaginary world, was not constructive in helping with those deficits, rather it was as i was peering into the world i belonged.

I am not sure if this is helpful, but i do know alot of aspies who do have a good imagination, so its not a requirement, its a generalization. Not everybody falls in that boat.



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10 May 2009, 11:16 pm

Whatsherhame wrote:
Really?

I feel odd. None of my imaginative stories have me in them. 8O

When I say I imagine out stories, it means I imagine out stories. It's odd, because I'm quite mean to my characters, I wouldn't want to be like any of my them right now:

One is a healer locked up in a mental asylum, One is dying of a new pandemic virus which I created, One has the same virus but got it when it first went around so he is immune, one has magnetic powers but is also dying because of the berserk iron content in her blood, another one is her lover but doesn't love her back. My characters have been burned, stomped on, murdered, diseased, dehydrated, and all matter of horrible things have happened to them.

I lay around all day and play with these scenarios, too. 8O


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