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I'd like to add any thread along the lines of "Why do NTs...?" to the list.

Whining about being misunderstood is one thing, but failing to realise why you're misunderstood, considering the nature of AS is another thing.



Keeping the above statement in mind and also considering the black and white thinking, I'm now awaiting "NTs are incapable of anything worth mentioning. Anyone worth mentioning is obviously an Aspie".

I learn so I'll just examine your style more. Not sure if it will work but it's worth a try.

I really doubt most aspies believe this, I think people that say this are just trying to make themselves feel better, I doubt they would really believe it given a moment of self reflection or if they were made to see their own flaws.

Agree. I think of it as more of a reflection of what is percieved in someone's life relating to how others have treated them. More like a reverse roleplay.

Also as far as killers go, there are several news stories of people who try for an aspie defense on trial. Defense psychologists will claim because of this person's aspergers they murdered someone and laughed about it. It doesn't work.

Aspergers is no excuse for murder and the fact that defense psychologists are getting paid to do that and the nature of the crime reveals that psychiatry in the justice system is flawed. Those kinds of killers are psychopaths. There were psychiatrists that disagreed with the diagnosis and for good reason.

If someone claimed because of their aspergers they went on a killing spree and it's obvious the person has other issues, I think it's reasonable to dispute that.

In cases like that it trickles from the media to your everyday life. People read such stories and if they understand autistic traits and learn that you could be autistic, they will treat you like a murderer even though the story in the news wasn't accurate in the first place.

Could you be more specific? How long did this person stay, and what happened? The moderators are pretty good about evicting trolls, but once in a while they get in.

We didn't dwell on the subject, so I'm not sure of the specifics. I think it was just a general impression she had (fair or not).

I actually found WP is the only tolerant forum in regards to autistic people, different types of autism, different opinions on the spectrum, to those who're interested and not autistic themselves and to parents.

So I would consider comments such as 'I heard that' mostly a result of bad propaganda.

I think the best learning also comes from mistakes.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/fionaapple/amistake.html

♬ ♩
I wanna mistake why can't I make a mistake?
I'm always doing what I think I should
Almost always doing everybody good
Why
Do I wanna do right, of course but
Do I really wanna feel I'm forced to
Answer you, hell no
I've acquired quite a taste
For a well made mistake
♬ ♩ -- Fiona Apple

If Aspies made up the majority of people and "NTs" were the minority, It would be the Aspies that would be most bullying then, due to the NTs being outcasts.

I hate this whole NT are inferior attitude that a minority of WP members have just because for a few people who were mean to then, it means that we are no better than those who insult us.

QFT.

Am think WP is the most accepting and accomodating communities overall for all forms of Autist [Autie/Aspie/PDDNOSer/spectrumer/Rett/BAP etc] and those who can also relate to the topics,it's one of the few forums anyone gets accepted on [eg,John Best] providing they follow the rules.

Some members complain that WP is full of moaning,but it is a support forum,text is commonly said to be the preferred choice of Autists for interacting with so that may also be why users are likely to let a lot of thoughts out here.

I see NT bashing here and get sick of it because we are lumping them into one category. It be like them lumping us into one category by saying we are all selfish and uncaring and don't give rats about anyone and we are all lazy SOBs and refuse to work on anything to get better. I used to do NT bashing myself and then one day my senses caught up to me and I realized how stupid I had been. Not all NTs have been bad to me so therefore not all of them are bad and I have learned bullying is not NT behavior and neither is stupidity because I have seen aspies being just as bad as "NTs" so I finally figured out it is not NT behavior. I say "people" now or say "some people" because I don't want to lump anyone into one category.

There are a surprising number of threads on WP titled "Are Aspies the next step in human evolution?" Aspie supremacism is alive and well on this forum. Not as bad as AFF, to be sure, but still... it is dismaying to see how some people stereotype NTs on here. It is an understandable reaction, the "us vs them" instinct is deeply embedded in human nature, but it is unfortunate that Aspies have fallen prey to it.

If it's alive and well on this forum it's because we are real people who have to deal with difficult situations in real life. I am pretty sure everyone with AS can relate to the agony and frustration. Some people will channel them into a feeling of superiority because they feel like it's all they have. I don't blame them in some ways. I've done it myself when I have felt thoroughly hated and rejected. If you have AS and have never experienced this I don't know what to think. Um, it just seems so unlikely that you would have this disorder and not understand.

Oh, I understand the mentality. I fell into it for a time myself. It's the reaction that comes about when people who feel alienated by society and are told they are inferior begin to try to be recognized as equals. Some people, in reaction to negative discrimination, over-do their response and come out believing their group is somehow superior. The same thing happened in the feminist movement as well as the civil rights movement (think Malcolm X) and, so I've heard, has even occurred among some deaf people in the "deaf culture" movement.

Also, there's just a human tendency to segregate into "us and them" and to believe that "we" are good and "they" are bad. Jews and Gentiles, Christians and Pagans, Muslims and infidels, capitalists and communists, liberals and conservatives, Aspies and NTs... humans are divisive creatures. Hopefully we can find a way to bridge the gap and get over the antagonism.

It's not uncommon though. Everybody does it, not just Aspies. Every nation on earth has citizens who think their nation is the best. Patrotic types who think their country can do no wrong. Sports fans are like that. Hooligans too. College football teams attract those types. They are EVERYWHERE so why not let a few Aspies be cheerleaders for the Aspie home team?

Because they make us look like a bunch of nutters and are counterproductive in the fight for acceptance and understanding of autistics.

Jingoistic nationalism and overzealous sports loyalties disgust me. While I recognize the reasons people form such overblown loyalties, I hope for a day where we don't always see the world as us and them.