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25 May 2009, 5:17 pm

A gigantic, humongous load of crap.

And the person she quoted was a physiologist, not a psychologist. It is as stupid as asking a car mechanic about how airplanes works.


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25 May 2009, 5:23 pm

I see people as individuals, one at a time.

I recognize certain functional groups of people as operating in society for good or ill.

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25 May 2009, 5:23 pm

I really hate to be a party pooper (well, I don't actually) but the description that is outlined is not unlike how i view people on my bad days.

It is in fact very, very close to the reality for me. People are ugly talking heads, shoveling food in their mouths, great amorphous blobs i cannot relate to. They are alien. And on those days my visual acuity is at a peak (as are the other senses.) I do not go out if i can help it, and I hide in my studio and do not communicate with people on those days. It is not a constant and I can make meaningful contact with people on days when my traits are less severe. But there is ALWAYS something that separates my sense of connection with others.

On bad days, down at the supermarket - the quoted description is how it is for me. It is hideous... very scary and very upsetting. Everything seems overwhelming and i see every crease and line on a person's face, every burst capillary, every crumb around the corner of a moving mouth and every sound. things come at me. Talk and chatter at a table swamps me and I can scream for people to stop...suddenly. I can cry and meltdown. I feel as if I could almost burst with fear and confusion and there is the need to escape from people or run.

I remember well, my terror of unknown human beings as a child. And it is precisely because this is how they appeared to me.
A lot of the time my mother looked scary. A lot of the time my father looked scary. I watched. A lot.

I do not want to perpetuate the notion that the description quoted is the norm. i do however know in my case I live with this kind of thing. I find my autism to be really difficult at times, even though it is also a blessing.

I do not know about all this lfa/hfa/as distinction stuff...because I seem to be all over the place with traits and in some areas i am hf and other areas i am lf and then i am dx'ed AS......too many letters rolling around in my brain.

I'll just adhere to the BIG A.



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25 May 2009, 7:37 pm

Of course I don't see people as objects. Objects are far less confusing and troublesome.


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25 May 2009, 7:51 pm

I can somewhat agree with that blog. I always veiwed people as objects that were out to harm me. I never had any natural inborn fear of animals (as a child I would probably run up to a wild tiger as if it were a domestic cat, thinking it would allow me to cuddle it) but aside from my mom, I instintivaly feared other human beings. Even my own dad and brothers made me uneasy. I think I felt the same way around other people that most people feel around animals. I've discovered that most people are even afraid of friendly animals and even harmless animals. I could never understand why people feared snakes and sharks. To me they seem so vunerable. Sure they can bite you but a snake can't escape if you grab it and a shark is compeltly helpless once it is out of the water. Animals were my friends while people were my enemies.


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25 May 2009, 8:00 pm

Yeah I can relate to the blog too. Not exactly, but close. I don't always think of people as people. Sometimes I think of them as annoyances. I hate to admit it but I get in a mood at times and all I can think about is how annoyed I am by them.



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25 May 2009, 8:04 pm

It depends.

Under normal conditions, I see people as people.

When I am acting as a photographer, I see people as vertically-rectangular elements in an artistic composition ... and a landscape composition at that.

Portrait photography is kinda scary ... all those people smiling and grinning at you. So I warn people that I'm a landscape photographer who can't promise anything in the way of quality if you ask me to take pictures of people at a social event. And that if you insist I take pictures of people, I will insist on going around and just getting random candid potluck shots, which I then may transform into abstract or surreal oddities in Photoshop.


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25 May 2009, 8:17 pm

I see people the way that blogger described, when I am getting overloaded with sensory crap. In fact, I felt that way in an overcrowded restaurant one day. On good days, when out for a walk, people seem more like moving, unpredictable scenery which wants to make eye contact and exchange verbal sounds. Especially when I am not feeling sociable.


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25 May 2009, 8:19 pm

Unless Alison Gopnik has Asperger’s herself I guess I’m just as much an expert as she is since I do.
1. I firmly believe that there are several if not many types of Asperger’s. For her to lump all Asperger’s into one diagnosis is not only unprofessional it’s stupid.
2. The type of Asperger’s that I have is not compatible with dissociative thinking. In other words I hate self-contradiction. For me to look at myself (a real, living, breathing person) in the mirror and then go see another person and NOT see them as a a real, living, breathing person would be a contradiction. Unless, of course, her name is Alison Gopnik. Who although, I’m sure, looks like a person has proven by her statement that she is far from being one.



25 May 2009, 9:03 pm

I saw people as objects when I was little but I still knew they were alive because they moved and talked. I just didn't know they had feelings and stuff and dislikes and they also feel pain and cry and stuff. If I saw one kid cry, I saw one kid cry.



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25 May 2009, 9:20 pm

i said several times here or elsewhere that people are to me like noisy hindering objects. not the way as explained in the quotation from the OP, though. i know they are people, i just don't feel any connection to them. they tend to complain that i don't care about them. so sometimes i call my mom to say hi, that makes her happy..


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26 May 2009, 6:41 am

man that psycologist is f*****g thick

(autistic guy on the sniper)

"take him down jhonson!"

"i cant see him sir!, hes NT!!"



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26 May 2009, 7:38 am

dalekaspie wrote:
man that psycologist is f***ing thick

(autistic guy on the sniper)

"take him down jhonson!"

"i cant see him sir!, hes NT!!"

:lol: Oh that had me in stitches. Thanks for that.

Yes, this is bollocks. Although I value animals above humans, I do not see them as noisy fleshbags. Eventhough some of them possess a striking resemblance.



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26 May 2009, 8:04 am

Of course I see people as people. I don't see them as bowling pins.


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26 May 2009, 8:14 am

Almandite wrote:
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People with autism suffer from a defect of the mind where they cannot perceive other humans or animals alike as real, living, breathing people and pets. They view us as just other objects in this world that do unexpected things and make unexpected noises that they cannot calculate.

when i was a child i saw people as objects that were there to feed me. i saw animals as as fur covered bits of meat that moved by themselves..

later, i found that i was "alive", and i deduced that animals were too. that made me like animals because i liked myself.

but humans never really were accepted into my brain. i did not understand them like i understood animals.

humans are vastly unpredictable, and even though i know what language they talk in, i rarely understand why they say the things they do.

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“This is what it is like to sit around a dinner table. At the top of my field of vision is a blurry edge of my nose, in front are waving hands…. Around me bags of skin are draped over chairs and stuffed into pieces of cloth, they shift and protrude in unexpected ways…. two dark spots at the top of them swivel relentlessly back and forth. A hole beneath that spot fills with food and from it comes a scream of noises. Imagine that the noisy skin-bags suddenly moved towards you and their noises grew loud, and you have no idea why, no way of explaining them or predicting what they would do next.”


that sounds a bit psychotic to me.
it sounds like the author is having an almost schizophrenic experience.

humans are animals that have their behaviors like any other animal. but humans have behaviors i can not fathom, and i care not to try to fathom them.



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26 May 2009, 8:32 am

The responses saying, "Yes, that's about right" intrigue me. I have some questions for you all:

1. What sort of Autism do you have? Asperger's? Kranner's? Etc.

And then I sort of want to tease out the meaning of what you are saying.

2. Do you recognize other people as human--like you in some ways, different in others, but alive and thinking?

3. How do you interact with others? Do you seek out human contact, even just to say hi or share a fact?

4. Do you think of humans as objects or toys, or are they "special" or different in your mind?