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Location: Aspergers Quadrant, INTJ, AQ 45/50
30 Oct 2009, 3:38 am
In my experience, a lot of NT men are 'intimidated' by women who wear glasses.
I really don't understand this at all. I usually find attractive women to be even more attractive with glasses!
I know for a fact that some NT women actually wear glasses to keep men away from them.
This post goes out to a very special AS friend 
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... The feet hurts 
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30 Oct 2009, 11:40 am
Spokane_Girl wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Hovis wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
So no. NTs don't "know" what others think. They just believe they do (hence the Theory of Mind).
Or they only use it for people like themselves.
I have this theory I've mentioned before, that ToM may just be projection with a more "acceptable" name.
Or they only use it for people like themselves.
I have this theory I've mentioned before, that ToM may just be projection with a more "acceptable" name.
I agree: it's not actually theorizing what another person may actually be thinking at all, but assuming that the person must be thinking a certain way because that is how they would think in that situation. They still stick to this even when there is in fact evidence to suggest the contrary.
Example: there is a roomful of people. Most are talking to somebody else, but one is on their own. Now, if this person isn't doing anything, is gazing wistfully at the others, and looking bored and unhappy, then the NT in question could have fairly strong grounds for thinking that they would like someone to talk to. But suppose the person is engrossed in a book, and paying no attention at all to the other people. When the NT approaches the person and speaks, they answer politely, but show no apparent desire to put their book down and become involved in a conversation with them. Why would they continue to pester and interrupt them, convinced they must be lonely, when everything about the situation is telling them the opposite? Simple. Because they would be, and they cannot conceive of anyone thinking in a fundamentally different way to them.
It seems ironic that we are supposed to lack theory of mind, yet we seem to have no problem whatsoever accepting the fact that others think differently, even if we may not understand why.
Good example... and yes, the irony hits me too.
And therefore, they have that aspie trait too.
Yes, or maybe rather, it's a human trait, but they have pointed it out as an aspie trait because it's more visible when one seems to lack theory of most other people's minds - while it for themselves is natural to lack theory of "unusual" people's minds.
Other similar examples:
They say we lack empathy, but often have difficulties empathizing with us too, as they don't understand us so well either.
They say we have difficulties with reading body language, but often they'll have difficulties with reading ours too. (Eg. when we listen carefully to them and they don't think we do because we're not looking at them.)
If we were the majority and they were the minority, we might as well diagnose them with lack of empathy / Theory of Mind, and poor body language reading.
And concentration difficulties btw...
30 Oct 2009, 1:50 pm
I'll admit I have a great amount of trouble understanding "NT" humor.No!, not from watching funny tv shows or films but, whenever I'm around people whom I work worth or beyond that often makes jokes which, I tend to have trouble getting the gist of it.. 
30 Oct 2009, 5:33 pm
AnnePande wrote:
Spokane_Girl wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Hovis wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
So no. NTs don't "know" what others think. They just believe they do (hence the Theory of Mind).
Or they only use it for people like themselves.
I have this theory I've mentioned before, that ToM may just be projection with a more "acceptable" name.
Or they only use it for people like themselves.
I have this theory I've mentioned before, that ToM may just be projection with a more "acceptable" name.
I agree: it's not actually theorizing what another person may actually be thinking at all, but assuming that the person must be thinking a certain way because that is how they would think in that situation. They still stick to this even when there is in fact evidence to suggest the contrary.
Example: there is a roomful of people. Most are talking to somebody else, but one is on their own. Now, if this person isn't doing anything, is gazing wistfully at the others, and looking bored and unhappy, then the NT in question could have fairly strong grounds for thinking that they would like someone to talk to. But suppose the person is engrossed in a book, and paying no attention at all to the other people. When the NT approaches the person and speaks, they answer politely, but show no apparent desire to put their book down and become involved in a conversation with them. Why would they continue to pester and interrupt them, convinced they must be lonely, when everything about the situation is telling them the opposite? Simple. Because they would be, and they cannot conceive of anyone thinking in a fundamentally different way to them.
It seems ironic that we are supposed to lack theory of mind, yet we seem to have no problem whatsoever accepting the fact that others think differently, even if we may not understand why.
Good example... and yes, the irony hits me too.
And therefore, they have that aspie trait too.
Yes, or maybe rather, it's a human trait, but they have pointed it out as an aspie trait because it's more visible when one seems to lack theory of most other people's minds - while it for themselves is natural to lack theory of "unusual" people's minds.
Other similar examples:
They say we lack empathy, but often have difficulties empathizing with us too, as they don't understand us so well either.
They say we have difficulties with reading body language, but often they'll have difficulties with reading ours too. (Eg. when we listen carefully to them and they don't think we do because we're not looking at them.)
If we were the majority and they were the minority, we might as well diagnose them with lack of empathy / Theory of Mind, and poor body language reading.
And concentration difficulties btw...
Then maybe that's why I see autism in normies
But really, I have seen people act that way to other people like some even have their things lined up or their desk organized and lot of people don't want anyone touching their stuff. Lot of people refuse to move to another seat when someone smelly sits nearby them but instead they complain about it to the transportation or moan about it to their friends and family about their horrific time on the bus all because they refused to move to a empty seat away from the person.
People act more aspie in religion and politics because they do not respect other peoples views or their beliefs. They all think they are right. At least there are some who don't get all riled up in them and they respect what other people think and believe in and won't argue it or put you down.
I do know lot of people don't understand fears like fear of snakes or heights if they don't have that fear themselves. They won't understand why someone has that fear and might find it weird. I don't understand it myself but heights I can understand a little bit because I get this fear and I literally can't feel my body and I feel I am floating in the air. I have some fear of heights.
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