"fake aspies" and self diagnosis. DISLIKE, sorry.

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12 Jun 2010, 8:43 pm

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You know, I've never blamed my self diagnosed AS for my spelling problems I usually blame the Dysgraphia that I actually am diagnosed with. My spelling errors have gotten a lot better since I started using Firefox but sometimes the spellcheck will break down and start sobbing on me and there's nothing I can do unless there's someone near by to ask.


I suppose it is easy to forget sometimes that AS is often combined with other problems. Even in some of the cases I know of that do display problems with writing, there are other factors that play into it. Still it's a pretty sweeping statement to claim it has nothing to do with AS. AS can and does often mean there are other related problems, and they often are not excuses, but explanations for poor writing skills, combined with AS.


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12 Jun 2010, 9:15 pm

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I never associated bad spelling and grammar with AS, if anything I feel a compulsive need to make sure everything is correct before I hit submit. I'm not saying that compulsive need is necessarily a trait of AS either, except the desire for precision, perhaps.


It has nothing at all to having AS. It's just laziness and them coming up with the 'coolest' expalantion for it they could think of.

It is so very not right...


You know, I've never blamed my self diagnosed AS for my spelling problems I usually blame the Dysgraphia that I actually am diagnosed with. My spelling errors have gotten a lot better since I started using Firefox but sometimes the spellcheck will break down and start sobbing on me and there's nothing I can do unless there's someone near by to ask.



I've seen some people blaming their poor spelling and grammar on their autism and it annoys me.



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12 Jun 2010, 9:17 pm

Who's to say that they're fake?


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12 Jun 2010, 9:22 pm

It can be the reason why they may have bad spelling/grammar/writing, But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't run what they wrote through a spell check at the very least before posting. It's even on the rules in most writing sites to do so. When I said I never associated bad spelling/grammar to AS, I didn't mean it doesn't happen to people with AS. I know plenty of NT people who are crap at both, so it isn't just an ASD thing.

Used as an excuse it is wrong. It shouldn't be an excuse.

Most of the time it is a teen who has never written before, and thinks they don't need to check what they are doing. I've left reviews to some of these people. They are just juvenile, not AS. I have yet to meet someone with AS in the community who used AS as an excuse for not checking their work before posting. If anything, most of us do so several times beforehand. Me, I check a few times, and always have spell check on my word processor. And still sometimes end up with big mistakes that I miss.

Some people on the spectrum can't stand criticism, I'm aware of this. Saying they need to spell check their work isn't even proper criticism, it's just telling them what they need to do without being cruel or mean in any way. If they are going to post on a public site which a lot of people go to read, the least they can do is read the rules first.

I'm not saying that everyone who writes is NT. I'm not saying that all writers who do have AS should keep silent about it. But those people who actually write a story, post it, get told to check their spelling and grammar and use it as an excuse are usually just doing that, picking the 'best thing' that can exempt them from it and use it.

If they are going to publicly put a story up on a site which says in the rules that spellchecking should be done before posting, then they should do so. AS or not. I usually have spelling/grammar mistakes through my Author's Notes, because I don't normally check them, but the story is (hopefully) fine, as that has been checked. I usually don't go through posts like these on forums looking for mistakes, though occasionally I do. And my grammar is rather bad.



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12 Jun 2010, 10:08 pm

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It has nothing at all to having AS. It's just laziness and them coming up with the 'coolest' expalantion for it they could think of.


i must be missing something. being autistic is considered cool?

i didn't realize i was trying to join an elite club.

this whole thread is infuriating.


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12 Jun 2010, 10:12 pm

Found this post rather late but here goes. I am 35 years old and female undiagnosed. I found AS due to the BBCs programs and realized that was the problem and due to events having disrupted my life and caused me ill health I feel the diagnosis will be of great benefit. I took all the test results, school reports, references....... to a doctor who told me "it would take me hours to look through all of this and try and understand what I am supposed to be looking at" I asked if there where any doctors in the area who had an interest in AS "no I cant think of anyone" so how do I get a referral for a diagnosis so I can get help then "I dont know" It has taken alot of time but I did find a lady who is finding someone who can but they want me to go to have an assessment with psychologists who have little or no experience with AS. The National Autistic Society recommends two psychologists in my area one is out of my PCT area the other works for another PCT but is within mine !? So even at the age of 35 in a world that is more aware of AS than they ever have been the services and knowledge is STILL NOT AVAILABLE ! My Mum was even told by my school that I get my letters round the wrong way which I still do and yet I have never been diagnosed with dyslexia.
I have noticed some outright NT people posting and find it rather weird. I find it hard to talk to people on NT sites and yet this site is fine which is why I cant understand why they want to socialize on here !? If you think you might be or are looking for information thats one thing but...... maybe its because AS people say what they actually mean rather than alter motives and things ?



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12 Jun 2010, 10:19 pm

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I have noticed some outright NT people posting and find it rather weird. I find it hard to talk to people on NT sites and yet this site is fine which is why I cant understand why they want to socialize on here !? If you think you might be or are looking for information thats one thing but...... maybe its because AS people say what they actually mean rather than alter motives and things ?


I don't think it wrong that there are NT's here. Some are parents of children with AS, some have friends/lovers with AS and some are just trying to understand it better.

What better way then by finding out by people who are on the spectrum?

I do the same thing with some of my interests (because they can be really weird and not something to talk about in public places without causing a stir.)



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12 Jun 2010, 10:47 pm

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It can be the reason why they may have bad spelling/grammar/writing, But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't run what they wrote through a spell check at the very least before posting. It's even on the rules in most writing sites to do so. When I said I never associated bad spelling/grammar to AS, I didn't mean it doesn't happen to people with AS. I know plenty of NT people who are crap at both, so it isn't just an ASD thing.


I don't understand how autism can cause poor spelling and grammar. I can see how a learning disability can cause it but autism????

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Used as an excuse it is wrong. It shouldn't be an excuse.


That we both agree there.

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Some people on the spectrum can't stand criticism, I'm aware of this. Saying they need to spell check their work isn't even proper criticism, it's just telling them what they need to do without being cruel or mean in any way. If they are going to post on a public site which a lot of people go to read, the least they can do is read the rules first.


When you tell some people with dyslexia to use spell check, they think you're being ignorant and they hate having their mistakes being pointed out. But some are fine with it just as long as you're nice about it. I've told someone to use spell check and some people thought I was being a dick. But I understand now why spell check wouldn't work on someone who has dyslexia. You misspell a word, you check the spelling and different words pop up and as a dyslexic, they all look the same to you so which word is the correct word?

I think lot of severe dyslexics don't post on forums because they are so embarrassed by their disability and spelling mistakes and the fact they get hit by the grammar police.

My husband doesn't post on forums anymore because he is embarrassed by his spelling and he also got made fun of for his spelling.

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If they are going to publicly put a story up on a site which says in the rules that spellchecking should be done before posting, then they should do so. AS or not. I usually have spelling/grammar mistakes through my Author's Notes, because I don't normally check them, but the story is (hopefully) fine, as that has been checked. I usually don't go through posts like these on forums looking for mistakes, though occasionally I do. And my grammar is rather bad.


I went to a forum where people post their stories and they be sensitive to criticism and finally one of the forum admins put in the disclaimer for that section "Stories will be critiqued." Now it's "Remember, stories will be critiqued." But the problem is I don't think people need to be harsh or be rude when they hand out criticism, they can do it in a nice way but some people don't seem to understand that. They think honesty is an excuse to be rude. They think it's okay for them to be a jerk just because they are being honest. One member on another forum used to whine about his reputation being sniped by users and he has been told it's not because of his opinions or his honesty, it's how he says it. But he never listened or changed his ways so he finally got banned.



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12 Jun 2010, 11:18 pm

No one needs to be harsh or rude at all.

I just think soem people think that the harsher it is, th more likely it is that they may understand.

I was told that Autism and AS were learning disabilities, not just social. I can't do math. I suck terribly atit. And while my spelling may be good, it's not the best, and my typign is even worse. I'm leavign this one the way it is, original without any fixing. It's not the worst, but it isn't the best.

Am I wrong in thinkign that? It is possible. Quite possible.



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12 Jun 2010, 11:41 pm

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there are many contenders to the "throne".

it is a niche fad nowadays to be "aspie" it seems, and there are so many weeds that have "evolved deliberately" to camouflage themselves in the field of autism.

i see so many posters describing themselves in a way that is crafted to appear "naive but genius" and "honest but brutal" or completely "unaware" of their "superior logical ability".
somewhat like the anime japanese characters they are fascinated with.

they want to pretend they are similar to the "sheldon" character in the "big bang theory" who they idolise.

it seems that a large proportion of people think einstein and newton and shakespeare and tessla and kelvin and galileo and jesus and anyone else who was remarkable was "aspie".

they want to jump on the wagon and take their seat and be seen as a passenger on the train of the syndrome.

"aspies" are stereotyped to be "cute" and "baby faced" and "unassuming" and in a mental class above the rest of the world with out them even knowing it.

so there are many gatecrashers to the small world of real autistic people.
there are many people who do not have a solid identity, and they have a raft of alternatives to choose from, so they choose "aspie" because it suits them, and then they lie about themselves and it is rather easy to do if they are reasonably smart and have familiarized themselves with the symptomatology.

i do not believe the vast majority of people who claim they are "aspie" on forums because even though they craft their posts in a way that is well considered with respect to what an asperger person would say, it does not ring fully true to me.

there is a subtle signature that is absent in their posts and it seems like a script writers assimilation of ideas to include in a movie about asperger people.

there are people here i do believe are truly AS, like.......well i better not say names, but i see that many people, even though they craft well informed posts, leave out that breath of reality that makes me identify on a deeper level with them.

if i was to spend 6 months with a script writer who was making a movie about AS, and he was to interrogate me about everything he can think of so as to make his script believable, then when the movie came out and i watched it, i would smile and say "yes. that is similar, but i can see that it is not from personal experience. it is from research".

that is how i think about most posts here.

like the wristwatch thread.
the op said they wore it on their right wrist, and then almost every poster said they too wore their watch on their right
wrist. i expected that to be the case before i read the posts.

i also predicted that some people would say that watches are old hat, and they use their cell phones.
it is like everyone is busily thinking of how to be unique or at least different from mainstream. also they are thinking how to put across an image of a similar flavor to the sheldon character.

it is a fad to be seen as a nerd or a geek. many ads on the radio and TV have capitalized on that style of character recently.
i australia, there is a computer repair place called "geeks to you" and the ad says "in this situation you really need a geek!! !".

yeah whatever.

i feel trodden on by a stampede of people who all want to cram into the new celebration of geeks or nerds or whatever.

they are even portrayed on tv with their glasses and buck teeth, but they are muscular and sexually attractive to the general population.

it is like that show "ugly betty" who is only "ugly" because she dresses wrong and has braces and wears nerdy glasses.
i never watched the show but i have seen the ads.

none of this new promotional fervor about nerds and geeks describes me at all and i will always remain in an isolated position (not by choice), but the label that once described me is now is used by mainstream people who have crafted their image to fit a newly developed desirability that has nothing to do with me.

i am nameless if my identity that NT's used to be able to use to classify me is stolen and used for popular demand.


Maybe I'm in the wrong forums , but I miss this " perception" of a mass influx of people crafting their posts to fit in with the "Aspie fad".
Are you suggesting that some of the diagnosed here are maybe in reality "not" or are misdiagnosed?

I myself would guess that the majority of the older folks ( undiagnosed) would have to be at least BAP. I would have a hard time imagining a middle aged person would open an account here , because of 'not fitting in society' . It just wouldn't make sense to do so ,and if they did ,such ones wouldn't hang around long ( I would think as assuming a soundness of mind)There would have to be a degree of correlation with the symptoms and not to the culture in of itself.



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13 Jun 2010, 12:31 am

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I understand some people are angry at me for my views but if you read what I said carefully I beleive alot of the self diagnosis is correct, I mainly only have a problem with people who pretend they're on the spectrum but for people to come in here and insult my
grammar
my knowledge of history
calling me elitist
saying I should be ashamed of myself
saying Im a bully etc
it really hurts, okay maybe my grammar isn't great and Although history is my obsession i know little of the recent history of aspergers but the rest I do not agree with at all. If i offended people so much they could have said so nicely. I value you guys so much, you probably don't know it. When I had my serious self harm issue it was people in this forum who convinced me to go to a doctor. You guys are awesome and I didn;t mean my commentsi n a hurtful way, i've already apologised if people got them miscontrused but still I;m getting insulted :(.


I think that many people read the original post and then click on "post reply" without reading all the other posts. This is especially true in the case of long threads. This is why many posts are similar to previous ones. If you keep this in mind, you might not feel so bad about what appears to be "piling on." I would have posted before this, but many others have already said what I would have said. I myself have not read all the posts (the one that follows this one I quoted) yet.


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13 Jun 2010, 2:31 am

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It's an excuse used by some fanfiction writers who are too lazy to use spell check and/or grammar.

No, really. Someone will pick up on it, tell them that they should at least spellcheck their work before posting and they'll actually use the excuse "I have Asperger's! It's not my fault if I can't write properly. Leave me alone!" Usually using netspeak and/or very bad spelling and disregarding grammar entirely.


That's really interesting. I don't do fanfiction, so I've never come across this. But on various forums I've heard people cite dyslexia or ADHD as reasons for their poor spelling and grammar. Never Aspergers. I tend to attribute my good spelling and grammar to Aspergers, because I pay so much attention to detail and analyse the patterns of language and have a visual memory for spelling.


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13 Jun 2010, 2:56 am

It goes in cycles. I've seen Dyslexia, ADHD/ADD, Asperger's. I've even seen Depression used as an excuse. It usually cycles through which one is 'coolest' to have at the time.

Which is rather stupid, since none of them are cool to have.

On forums liek this, I don't usually bother trying to fix my posts if they're small. I have bad typing skills, but rather good spelling skills. I don't bother saying anything other than "My typing sucks if there are mistakes" :P It's worse right now, because it is winter and my fingers don't liek the cold very much. None of me does. I'm a heat an. I love hot weather.

Though, yes, sometimes it annoys me to see a really bad error.



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13 Jun 2010, 4:35 am

Yeah its annoying when people pretend to be autistic, I think the reason so many people are complaining about the fact that diagnosed autistics dislike self-diagnosed autistics is that the self-diagnosed autistics secretely know they are not actualy autistic!

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Yeah its annoying when people pretend to be autistic, I think the reason so many people are complaining about the fact that diagnosed autistics dislike self-diagnosed autistics is that the self-diagnosed autistics secretely know they are not actualy autistic!

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What, even the ones who go on to be professionally diagnosed? :o


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13 Jun 2010, 7:58 am

I think some people are missing the point between people who are self-diagnosing and those who just say they have it for some lame excuse in the moment (an excuse that changes continuously, given what is 'in' at the moment...)

I have no problem with self-diagnosis. If I had even known this existed before I was diagnosed, I would have definitely thought it me. And I would have self-diagnosed.

My problem is not with that...

I think I am screwing up my wording so what I say doesn't come out right or something...

*headdesk* Sorry people.