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06 May 2011, 9:58 pm

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I would suspect that many people are self-diagnosed because there seems to be a lotta "mild" aspergers going around here. So many people claiming to have mild aspergers. NTs can face difficulties in social situations and distress due to other reasons/conditions. Just cause someones NT doesnt mean they cant be ackward. Theres the thought, what is wrong with me? Then they read about aspergers and think they have aspergers.

I knew someone who had self-diagnosed themselves and it turns out they had a bad case of social anxiety


Yes, I think that is happens frequently. I do think a lot of people are right, but I also know a lot of people who have turned out to be wrong. A lot of the symptoms overlap with over conditions for different reasons. Also, some other conditions are misunderstood or more stigmatized (around here, it is probably more acceptable to be autistic than to have ADHD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc).


Oh, damnit. I'm autistic, have ADHD, anxiety, and depression.

Am I fashionable or unfashionable?


Around here a lot of older people do not take the ADHD label as seriously as it should be (I know it is serious and very real because I live with someone with severe ADHD--it is an everyday challenge for her). Before being diagnosed with autism, they've called me both anxious and depressed as well (neither of which I am in the fullest sense...my symptoms are accounted for under autism). Even some family member are less open to those diagnoses. I cannot tell you how tired I am of "keep your chin up", and "life is what you make it", and "you just got to get out there and put yourself forward". Now that I am autistic, I just get a "oh, that explains it". :roll:



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06 May 2011, 9:58 pm

That should be "now that I KNOW I am autistic......"



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06 May 2011, 10:05 pm

Regardless, who's not entitled to take a stab at their own condition?

I think if the desire is to suggest to those engaging in self diagnosis that they should be wary of getting their diagnosis wrong then that's all that need have been said.

Something like "Hey, if you're self diagnosing, watch out that you don't misdiagnose" would have sufficed. Of course stating such a warning would beg the question of why anyone would assume such a potential for oversight on behalf of people engaging in self diagnosis. It is, in fact, peoples' brains and lives that are at stake. Some have been having difficulties for decades. While it is possible that some will accept the first explanation that crosses their path, that behavior would be lazy and problematic, a conclusion that is likely to occur to most that might entertain such a shortcut, especially when it fails to explain their problems.


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06 May 2011, 10:12 pm

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Around here a lot of older people do not take the ADHD label as seriously as it should be (I know it is serious and very real because I live with someone with severe ADHD--it is an everyday challenge for her). Before being diagnosed with autism, they've called me both anxious and depressed as well (neither of which I am in the fullest sense...my symptoms are accounted for under autism). Even some family member are less open to those diagnoses. I cannot tell you how tired I am of "keep your chin up", and "life is what you make it", and "you just got to get out there and put yourself forward". Now that I am autistic, I just get a "oh, that explains it". :roll:


Yeah, it's pretty serious to me. I see people here make weird assumptions about the medication (that the stimulants are used to control behavior - I mean, seriously, they're stimulants. They'll make neurotypicals hyper).

I've heard those platitudes too. It really is ridiculous. I know my family didn't take my anxiety or depression seriously at all, and it took getting ADHD and autism diagnosed before they finally accepted I have serious issues. It's really frustrating.



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07 May 2011, 12:57 am

littlelily613 wrote:
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I would suspect that many people are self-diagnosed because there seems to be a lotta "mild" aspergers going around here. So many people claiming to have mild aspergers. NTs can face difficulties in social situations and distress due to other reasons/conditions. Just cause someones NT doesnt mean they cant be ackward. Theres the thought, what is wrong with me? Then they read about aspergers and think they have aspergers.

I knew someone who had self-diagnosed themselves and it turns out they had a bad case of social anxiety


Yes, I think that is happens frequently. I do think a lot of people are right, but I also know a lot of people who have turned out to be wrong. A lot of the symptoms overlap with over conditions for different reasons. Also, some other conditions are misunderstood or more stigmatized (around here, it is probably more acceptable to be autistic than to have ADHD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc).



What's wrong with mild Asperger's? What about other mild conditions? Is there anything wrong with mild schizophrenia or mild dyspraxia or mild ADD, or mild dyslexia or mild retardation or mild Bipolar or mild asthma, etc?

I don't understand why mild is a bad thing.



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07 May 2011, 7:08 am

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I would suspect that many people are self-diagnosed because there seems to be a lotta "mild" aspergers going around here. So many people claiming to have mild aspergers ...
Theres the thought, what is wrong with me? Then they read about aspergers and think they have aspergers.

I knew someone who had self-diagnosed themselves and it turns out they had a bad case of social anxiety

Yes, I think that is happens frequently. I do think a lot of people are right, but I also know a lot of people who have turned out to be wrong. A lot of the symptoms overlap with over conditions for different reasons. Also, some other conditions are misunderstood or more stigmatized (around here, it is probably more acceptable to be autistic than to have ADHD, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc).

What's wrong with mild Asperger's? What about other mild conditions? Is there anything wrong with mild schizophrenia or mild dyspraxia or mild ADD, or mild dyslexia or mild retardation or mild Bipolar or mild asthma, etc?

I don't understand why mild is a bad thing.

I agree, and yet I think the real problem here is simply a matter of the term "mild" not always meaning the same thing to everyone at the same time. For example:

There is no such thing as a "mild pregnancy" even though pregnancy might effect some people more "mildly" than others. So then, someone either has AS/HFA or s/he does not, and how "mild" his or her case might seem is really only a matter of how each of our lives is affected by having it at all.


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07 May 2011, 7:20 am

League Girl, I take it you are saying 'what is wrong with individuals with mild conditions participating on this site'? Is that correct? I'm only guessing because your comments could be interpreted several different ways.


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07 May 2011, 7:58 am

I have trouble leaving my apartment. And when I mean "trouble," I mean that it's so stressful to me that I can rarely do it more than a couple times a week, and only for a couple hours (though it also depends on if I take the bus or not). Keep in mind that this is not an issue of agoraphobia. This is an issue of being out and about and interacting with other people.

Should I take from this that anyone who can leave their apartment/house regularly or hold down a typical job is not really autistic, or is mild? Comparatively... maybe. I'm not going to make assumptions about how difficult things are for people that can leave their house/apartment every day.

It seems like there's this idea that the more difficulties you have, the more autistic you are. As if there's some sort of hierarchy here on WP based on how difficult a normal daily routine is/how different your routine is from the norm. I'm not going to dance around what I think of it: It's stupid.

People are different than you are. Autistics are different from other autistics. Get over it. It's not an issue of "mild."


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07 May 2011, 8:15 am

Might I suggest that if some of us are "wrong", in the sense that we don't simply show signs of being somewhere on the autistic spectrum, but also differ from the general social norm in some other ways (which might not be good ways), nevertheless, a place like WP might well be where we have the best chance (maybe even our only chance) to find out exactly what is "wrong", by judging ourselves not against the norm for people in general, but the "norm" for people who are on the AS/HFA part of the autistic spectrum?

If so, then turning us away would be like trying to preserve an idealised, purified AS/HFA "norm" against contamination by the likes of us deviant types, in much the same way as society in general tends to expel and deliberately misrepresent certain deviant categories of people, in order to defend itself against the threat it perceives (or misperceives) them to be.

It's not as if there are only two alternatives, either (1) expelling the "wrongness" (treating it like mere waste), or else (2) ignoring it (allowing it to blur the focus of the forum). There is also (3) containing it and trying to understand it, assuming that it has at least some relevance to the main purpose of the forum, e.g. at least some of the "wrong" people might be manifesting specific ways in which AS/HFA people react to certain adverse life events, and how else are we to know this, unless we have something like WP as a baseline to measure ourselves against?


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07 May 2011, 8:17 am

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League Girl, I take it you are saying 'what is wrong with individuals with mild conditions participating on this site'? Is that correct? I'm only guessing because your comments could be interpreted several different ways.

I hope my post did not give you a wrong impression of League_Girl. I had only meant to be addressing the overall issue here while agreeing with her.


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07 May 2011, 8:19 am

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I have trouble leaving my apartment. And when I mean "trouble," I mean that it's so stressful to me that I can rarely do it more than a couple times a week, and only for a couple hours (though it also depends on if I take the bus or not). Keep in mind that this is not an issue of agoraphobia. This is an issue of being out and about and interacting with other people.

Should I take from this that anyone who can leave their apartment/house regularly or hold down a typical job is not really autistic, or is mild? Comparatively... maybe. I'm not going to make assumptions about how difficult things are for people that can leave their house/apartment every day.

It seems like there's this idea that the more difficulties you have, the more autistic you are. As if there's some sort of hierarchy here on WP based on how difficult a normal daily routine is/how different your routine is from the norm. I'm not going to dance around what I think of it: It's stupid.

People are different than you are. Autistics are different from other autistics. Get over it. It's not an issue of "mild."

Nicely said, imo, and I am just like you ...
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I have trouble leaving my apartment. And when I mean "trouble," I mean that it's so stressful to me that I can rarely do it more than a couple times a week, and only for a couple hours (though it also depends on if I take the bus or not). Keep in mind that this is not an issue of agoraphobia. This is an issue of being out and about and interacting with other people.


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07 May 2011, 8:28 am

leejosepho wrote:
Nicely said, imo, and I am just like you ...
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I have trouble leaving my apartment. And when I mean "trouble," I mean that it's so stressful to me that I can rarely do it more than a couple times a week, and only for a couple hours (though it also depends on if I take the bus or not). Keep in mind that this is not an issue of agoraphobia. This is an issue of being out and about and interacting with other people.

Ditto. I think my record was not being able to leave the building for two and a half weeks, except to go out for walks on my own in the woods at night, the only place and time where I can be sure of being absolutely alone.

I am also not agarophobic.

I also strongly dislike the use of the word "phobia", as in "social phobia", to describe my fear of interacting with other people, as if it were like an irrational fear of moths (which I do have): it's absolutely nothing like a "phobia" at all.


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07 May 2011, 8:47 am

Twirlip wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
Nicely said, imo, and I am just like you ...
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I have trouble leaving my apartment. And when I mean "trouble," I mean that it's so stressful to me that I can rarely do it more than a couple times a week, and only for a couple hours (though it also depends on if I take the bus or not). Keep in mind that this is not an issue of agoraphobia. This is an issue of being out and about and interacting with other people.

Ditto. I think my record was not being able to leave the building for two and a half weeks, except to go out for walks on my own in the woods at night, the only place and time where I can be sure of being absolutely alone.

I am also not agarophobic.

I also strongly dislike the use of the word "phobia", as in "social phobia", to describe my fear of interacting with other people, as if it were like an irrational fear of moths (which I do have): it's absolutely nothing like a "phobia" at all.


It's not just me, then.

I love going for walks with my dog at, say, 2AM. The streets are beautifully empty!



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07 May 2011, 9:29 am

I love the summer nights we get here (as long as they're not too hot), and I love walking by the river. I would have a couple of problems with going for a walk at night. I'm not going to go into all of them (they're practical reasons), but I am rather afraid of getting mugged... or serial killers (I get mistaken for a woman a lot, so I have more reason to fear them than most guys).

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07 May 2011, 9:31 am

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I love the summer nights we get here (as long as they're not too hot), and I love walking by the river. I would have a couple of problems with going for a walk at night. I'm not going to go into all of them (they're practical reasons), but I am rather afraid of getting mugged... or serial killers (I get mistaken for a woman a lot, so I have more reason to fear them than most guys).

I'd probably enjoy going out more alone at night if I hadn't watched so many murder-mystery and crime documentaries on TV when I was younger. :lol:


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07 May 2011, 9:43 am

syrella wrote:
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I love the summer nights we get here (as long as they're not too hot), and I love walking by the river. I would have a couple of problems with going for a walk at night. I'm not going to go into all of them (they're practical reasons), but I am rather afraid of getting mugged... or serial killers (I get mistaken for a woman a lot, so I have more reason to fear them than most guys).

I'd probably enjoy going out more alone at night if I hadn't watched so many murder-mystery and crime documentaries on TV when I was younger. :lol:


For me, it comes from personal experience. I was mugged a few years ago (four, I think). It wasn't a pleasant experience, and I'd rather not relive it.


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