Are people with autism borderline sociopaths?

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It is when I STOP acting that people call me that. Most people mistakenly believe that sociopaths are just cold, unempathetic, and unable to play the polite social games.

It's not that simple though is it Ediself?

Because if you can see that someone is psychopathic online (as is quite possible) if you conceal that knowledge and play along with them you are consciously becoming an accessory to whatever they do...enabling them...sorry, but I am not prepared to do that...ever...not even in the sense of turning a blind eye.

Knowledge can be a terrible thing, but denying it is never the solution.

On the other side, I would no more consciously taunt a psychopath than I would consciously torture a rabid animal.

But, in my experience, when dealing with a psychopath what you do makes very little difference to the way you are perceived because as soon as they realise they do not fool you, they tend to put an inordinate amount of time and effort into misrepresenting you and your behaviour to others anyway.

As soon as you know you are dealing with a psychopath you may as well ignore how other people see you in favour of whether *YOU* know you are behaving honourably and doing the right thing.

I agree. I find this topic fascinating, but will have to remove myself from the conversation if it goes round and round and becomes hurtful. I have a feeling I will soon be jumping ship.

...and that is why, when it comes to a break up, all you say is your own variation on:

*Sadly, our relationship ended during the course of the trip*



The article as a whole did not say anything complete that I could see about NT/Autistic relationships at all...and the account of the breakup was so incomplete I could not derive anything from it at all, let alone who broke it off and why...which surely *IS* the only point?

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I'm gathering the opinion this Fraac person might be the sociopath projecting.

TM, I said you were functionally sociopathic because you were acting. I'm not the only one who can instantly recognise fakeness. Maybe take it on board before you regulate your emotions. Meltdowns would be easily understood here of all places.

And when you wrote about your girlfriend you self-consciously chose a way to represent that story. People notice conscious effort. If you're describing deep emotional stuff in a way that's been filtered for appearance, it's a huge red flag. Do you really want to keep arguing your legitimate reasons for stuff like that? It won't stop happening. I suggest perhaps worrying less about how you look, especially around aspies who can surely relate.

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Regardless, way too much drama. Someone really should just split the two up, or do something about it.

WTF???

I think you two are trying to make something out of absolutely nothing here.

It's important to try and be on good public behavior, even (or especially) in a forum full of aspies, for the same reason why you wouldn't have gone around lighting dining room candles with a blowtorch on the Hindenburg. There's value in social restraint, and I believe most aspies (or at least the overlapping group with ADD) ultimately come to recognize that. We might be really, really bad at pulling it off effectively, but that doesn't mean there's no value in trying. We just have to recognize that we can't keep up the act 24/7, and build enough buffers into our environments to heal and recover in between stressful interactions. In my case, the acting is almost entirely negative restraint rather than positive projection.

The meds (currently, Vyvanse augmented by dexedrine at both ends of the day) help enormously. I shudder to think of the smoldering wreckage my life would be without them to keep me relatively functional through most of the day.

Case in point. The person identifies more with sociopaths except he lacks monotone voice which I don't think is an actual criteria for sociopath. There are some who have the flat voice but not all.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3947298 ... t=#3947298

Fraac, when you are accusing one person of being a certain way, what you are doing really is revealing what you are doing. You are trying to overlap psychopath with autism so I'm guessing you're hoping to pretend to be autistic to garnish sympathy as if it's your mask. The fact that you keep pushing and insisting Tambourine-Man is doing just that which is "acting" also is revealing that it's what you do so therefore it's what he's doing too.


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4060361 ... t=#4060361

It's okay to stalk people? Okay. Rite of passage?


http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4102552 ... t=#4102552

"The secret to life is learning what you can get away with. There are no rules."


Fraac, stop projecting yourself on Tambourine Man. He is not you.

The truth is, aspies and psychopaths would not get along. Our supposed lack of empathy is different than yours and aspies do think the rules matter where as clearly you don't.

If you were in fact diagnosed because that is what it states in your profile... then you fooled whoever diagnosed you. Good job?


You can't bend and twist our perceptions here to suit your own intent. Go find some other "group" to infiltrate.

Ok guys, let's stop fighting. I think it is clear now that Autism is not borderline pyschopathy, and there is no reason for as to keep calling eachother such and start a flame war.

I'm narcissistic, it's different. There is an overlap. As I said, I've found at least 4 or 5 aspies who, online, were effectively sociopathic. They all had different-ish root causes, because years later the cause isn't the most noticeable part (afaik only sociopathy has a neurological cause). Understanding people is my special interest. People who are acting all or most of the time, even around aspies who often learn to act, stand out as being worth further study.

Nobody is fighting. It seems to me we were having an objective and fruitful discussion when TheygoMew and DemonAbyss10 suddenly took a humour to act as if it were a fight instead.

Cling to that all you want.
Although FYI: it's not different.Narcissism will soon be erased from DSM IV and merged into sociopathy.

Where is the humour? Point it out and I am expressing my observations and opinions. If you could sense the actual tone of my text it is calm.

Personally I have never had any life experience to contradict the above and I really *HAVE* been overburdened with relevant experience, one way or another.

Bluntly, pathological Narcissism is a valid a coping skill for AS as any, doesn't mean everybody swings that way, just that some do.

Equally, pathological Narcissism and socio/psychopathy are not the same condition and can be dual diagnosed (or, of course, not), and when it comes to psych terms being inappropriately used as pejoratives "Narcissist" is probably my pet hate.