How come people with Aspergers can't work ?

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I'd love to just see an example of capitalism. The closest thing to it these days is China. The US is not an example of capitalism as is claimed by many. When you have banks, corporations, politicians, and regulators colluding to to fix interest rates, commodity prices, utilities, and everything else they can make a dollar from it isn't capitalism. When you have a system where a few people engineer the loss of many in order to make a profit that is not capitalism. In capitalism growth is rewarded for growth, in the US loss is rewarded.

I agree with you on the cuts, but the cuts are always ones that affect the common people while the elites continue to spend TRILLIONS on drug wars, wars abroad, corporate bailouts, unfunded pension plans, etc, etc,. Yes, we can grow our economies by removing the parasites, and their schemes, who bleed the people of their wealth. Is a system that enslaves future generations through debt any better than a 'noble' who ensures the peasants never stop working his land by giving them enough to live but not enough to have any real choices? Welcome back to the middle ages.

It's a shame that people have lost sight of what freedom is and governments are always ready to exploit it. Back in the 1990s in the US we had a savings and loan scandal that imprisoned 2000 of these parasite bankers and politician. Today, the only people that go to jail over a much worse banking scandal are the people on the street protesting getting f****d by the banks. What's wrong with this picture.

Anyway, more of a rant than disagreement with anything you said.

If you weren't caught up in emotions you weren't caught up in emotions. I can accept that. It was one possibility for what leads to making it difficult to read in that manner. I included the word "if" for a reason. (It has the implication that you are, but what it actually means is "this is a possibility" - I wasn't reading into your post that you were, I was saying "You're for some reason having this problem, this is the reason I've seen it is a problem most often." With my communication style you need to not only look at implications but look at logical correctness, which is difficult for some people to do. Logical correctness is the most important thing to me in communication. )

What I was saying is that Verdandi does not use that indirect type of speech. She does not "beat around the bush". She does not write in any form that requires any sort of reading between the lines. She uses plain words. Many people don't. She does. That's what I'm saying. She's made this very clear in other places - and made it very clear that it frustrates her a lot that people keep accusing her of saying things that she never meant to say because of "reading between the lines" and coming up with things she never meant to say.

I'm not saying this because of me only taking things literally. I'm saying this because of knowing how she writes. She only writes things literally. She did not mean anything she did not say explicitly. That's how she communicates.

Well, if others are saying the same thing, isn't that a sign that perhaps one should look at the way they type. The only people thus far who dislike me with a passion are yourself, her and Apple in my Eye. That's only three out of thousands of users. Also, in admitting the reason for using "if," you still show a disbelief in regards to my comment that I'm not consumed by emotions (if you knew me as well as you say you know Verdandi, you would know I am telling the truth).

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It seems like it would be very difficult for a true capitalism to exist - there will always be special interest groups who grow powerful and influence regulations in order to set standards and rules advantageous to themselves

Verdandi and I are both autistic, like most people on the forum and happen to both be some where some of our autism comes through in how we communicate.

I am able to use implied meanings but am very pedantic, and very very focused on logical correctness. It leads to quite interesting circumstances if I feel pushed into a corner where I feel like I must mislead someone because its better than any other alternative because I will say something that is logically true and implies something entirely different than what is true.

Verdandi is someone who doesn't use implications and doesn't write in a way that expects people to read between the lines.

Neither of us are the "mild, can pass as NT" that the stereotype of Asperger's is.

I can't change the way I communicate for you, nor do I want to. I won't risk completely ruining my semblance of sanity I have for a random person on the internet. I doubt that she can either.

However, I've never even said anything about disliking you. I've explained what Verdandi has said. And have told you that I am applying for SSI and the way you speak about people who have to make that decision is in some ways offensive. That's not disliking you. I don't have any strong opinion about you. In fact, I don't even remember what your username is.

That's always been the problem with socialism too.

You are very wise indeed. Much of America (and Europe too) has become soft and decadent, and needs a return to the traditional values of hard work and self reliance.

I have severe sensory issues. If I could get a 100% telecommute job that didn't require using a phone, as my first job, or if I could get a job where the environment is specifically built to be sensory friendly (like no florescent lights, good sound insulation, and such), and the people are explicitly sensory friendly, including explicitly no perfumes, no smoking (not none around me, no smokers at all period, no coming out of cars that smokers use, nothing of the sort), only sensory friendly cleaners used and not around me and so on... then my biggest challenge would be overcame.

This is a rather huge challenge though.

Then we get into the rest of them.

What don't you like about phones? Why don't you hop on the Internet, and take advantage of all the money making opportunities there? Why don't you start a blog? The world has so much to offer.

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Neither of us are the "mild, can pass as NT" that the stereotype of Asperger's is.
I find it somewhat humorous that you act like I have no clue what autism is when by your own admission, you don't even know me. I know enough people with it to know what it is. It's not an excuse to say that people/what they say are lies without any sufficient evidence to prove the person a liar.

I can't change the way I communicate for you, nor do I want to. I won't risk completely ruining my semblance of sanity I have for a random person on the internet. I doubt that she can either.
I never said to. I said if many people are complaining about you, there's probably some logical basis for their views. I never said change yourself. It's you, Verdandi and Apple in my Eye who want me to change/conform to your views, and you want to censor me. Tough. It's not going to happen.

However, I've never even said anything about disliking you. I never said you did. I can logically gather that you don't, since obviously you think everything I say is an outright lie or is offensive. I'm sure you wouldn't say your friend Verdandi says anything controversial. I couldn't give two s-ts if you dislike me. I tell the truth and you and your group of friends dislikes hearing what isn't a popular thing to say.

You can reply, telling me how evil I am all you want, just refrain from implying in any way that I am a liar or bully, because those are two things I am not (I'm also not conservative in the political/religious sense). You can say I am radical, unpopular, blunt or controversial all you want; it won't bend me to your desired will.

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True, but the West had succesful capitalism not that long ago - as a mixed economy, like the direction China is moving towards (if it cannot be said to already be there).

Although he is deried as a "communist" by fanatical Friedmanite ideologues, Keynes was hailed at one time as the "saviour of capitalism" because the new approach provided us with a succesful, sustainable, and stable answer to the communist model (which, at that time, was starting to appear succesful, given the key metrics used at the time such as gross steel production, worker productivity, and so on) which did not require any curtailment of liberties, violent revolution, political inflexibility, repression, authoritarianism, economic centralization or state monopolies, or any of the other flaws associated with state communism.



Socialism for the rich, predatory serfdom for the poor. And the economy is collapsing as a result. Not just temporarily either. This is the twilight of the West. We're going to be permanently irrelevant soon, both politically and economically.

[sarcasm]But let's keep doing this anyway! It may be failing, but that's only because we haven't done it extremely enough! Libertarian utopia awaits! The market fairies will wave their invisible hands and we'll all be rich![/sarcasm]

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I suggested a way to make up two thousand a year tax free, and you are not even interested in pursing this. Would you rather stare at the walls, and engage in self-pity?

If someone is making $2000 tax free it's unlikely they would have walls to stare at unless they were made of cardboard. The problem with your argument is that you assume autistic people are lazy rather than held back because of their condition. You further argue that autistic people should be cut off from assistance if they can make any amount of income in any way. You offer scam riddled 'industries' and fantasies as reasons why autistic people shouldn't receive aid. The premise of your argument is that is simple- nobody who isn't a 'vegetable' should be given aid. Your posts are becoming more and more ridiculous. It looks like you're running out of ideas so let me help you. I give you full permission to use this in your next post:

"most autistic people shouldn't receive aid because they are perfectly capable of selling blowjobs in a dark and quiet alley for $2000/yr tax free."

As completely stupid as that sounds it's still more reasonable than many of your other arguments.

They make me incredibly uncomfortable in multiple ways, they hurt my ears, I can't manage back and forth conversation on them (I've managed to figure out some in person, but phones are a lot more difficult), my speech problems come through a lot more on phones and people find it a lot more difficult to understand me on phones... There's a lot of difficulties with phones.




Most of those are scams. The ones that aren't scams don't provide nearly enough to cover my living expenses. I've tried some, it is only a waste of my time with the amount of money that comes out. $25 in a month for quite a bit of time is absolutely absurd and not worth the time at all.



A blog doesn't make me any money, but I do have a blog.



I have no clue why you think I think you don't know what autism is. I also have no clue why you think I am calling you a liar. Of course you know about autism, I don't know how much, but you know some. You don't know about my particular case though. You didn't know that my sensory issues tend to be compared to people who are non-verbal. You didn't know that my case is explicitly on a scale of how much help I need within the Asperger's subtype I fall on the end of needing more help. That's what I was saying. I never said you don't know about autism. I made statements about individuals' autism.



Sure, there's basis for their views. They don't communicate in the same manner I do. Most people aren't mathematicians. Most people don't want to be mathematicians. Most people don't communicate like people who want to be mathematicians and logicians.

I also have no clue why you claimed censorship. I've never asked you to do anything different. I've told you that I find what you've said offensive. How is this "censorship".




Let me say explicitly.

I don't dislike you. I do not think everything you say is a lie. I have never said anything you've said is a lie. I don't think Verdandi always says things right and don't always agree with her.

Yes I've found somethings you've said offensive. I won't hide that fact. I'm stuck in a bad position here wanting to be employable and not being employable. Anyone who is making this harder on people like me who have to make these hard decisions to ask for help, will be offensive to me. It's not something I want to do at all. It's not something that's an easy choice. I don't find it acceptable to make it harder on people who have to make that choice.





I don't think you are evil. I don't think you're a liar. I don't think you're a bully.

I just don't think you're treating me at all acceptably at the current moment.

This dialogue just illustrates the diversity along the Spectrum in the Autism Community, as well as the various strengths and weaknesses, that embodies each individual.

Hopefully, we can gain some perspective on each others circumstances without being too judgmental and inflexible in understanding the unique challenges THAT a person may face in their life.




TheSunAlsoRises

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How come people presume that people with AS can't work?