Aspie Nation,If we build it will they come?

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That is exactly right. I had a coworker who was competing with me for a permanent postion constantly telling me that I was mentally ill, had no common sense, had a bad memory etc. At one moment he let his guard down and asked the question "how can I possibly compete with him ?"

Lets look on the evolution of the mankind : monkeys=>man

Don t you think that it was something in the middle? I mean i don't think that it was like apes just started to produce human child's . It doesn't make any sense to me. My idea is it was like that some monkey newborns started to have more differences from another ordinary monkeys. There were more interested in creating things than in jumping on the trees , have less hair and etc. Another ordinary monkeys hated and tortured them so those different who were most healthy and strong to survive(natural eugenics thing)escaped and created there own groups where they could live in peace. These new monkeys created instruments which help them to break coconuts or whatever. Finally they gained more food for them than ordinary monkeys and so on. It was just an example but doesn't it remind you anything? Doesn't it look like there WE are these new step in human evolution?

Just thing about it: What is the main thing in mans live? His death. Why? After you death all people who were happy to know you come to you funeral and start to remember what you v done in all your life. So what do you think people in this neuro typical world would say about your life ?
Well ,if there will be any people on yours funeral, they will start to say that you was poor (alcoholic |drug addicted etc) person who didn't have friends,or kids,or wife. They would say you had miserable life and It would be absolutely no matter for them how much money your had on your bank account or how much science etc you gave to the world. All your past school college "mates" will "remember" you to. I can even imagine that dialogue:

-Hi Bill! Do you remember these nerd we tortured in high school? Who was also alcoholic?
-Nope.
-Cmon dude! We beat the s**t out of him when he refused to help you in history project!
-Ohhh! That moth....er is dead?? Ahahhaha. What? He committed suicide or died because of drug overdose?

So is that all you want to leave after your life? We dont.

i have stated this before and would like to state right away that this post is not meant to be anti-anything - just simple presenting some facts:

there are momentarily 6,775,235,700 people living on this planet.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=world+population

the estimated prevalence of aspies alone stands somewhere around 0.3%.

but the prevalence of ASD spectrum as a whole is currently estimated at 1%... meaning there are 67,752,357 aliens like us living on this planet... meaning more people than live in the entire UK... or in france...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... population

there are 13,155,000 jews living on this planet... meaning a prevalence of only 0.2% of the entire world population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews

in 1948 the jews declared independence and formed the state of israel, backed by the UN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

since then, billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of dollars are used to either protect or to eliminate the jewish state of israel, depending on which side you are on.

being a jew is NOT a genetic condition... it is first of all a choice. it is a belief. it is this belief that makes the jews an ethnicity. a culture. not a race, nor a diversity. (the genetic differences seen today are the result of millennia of marriages based on the religion! effectively narrowing down the genes within in the population)

being on the autistic spectrum is not a choice. it is mainly (if not totally) genetic. it is a significant diversity... and some even suggest it could be a development/evolutionary thing that makes people on the spectrum different from the rest of the human race on this planet.

having up to 5 times more people than the jews involved, this should warrant at least the same if not more economic support and at least an option to gather in a country for those who would be together with their own people.

backed by the UN...

My mistake was that i wrote whole article like a strict document that cannot be changed. It must be tweaked or changed caz i am not politician or scientist . My idea is that our our final goal is to create our own independent nation ,SO will live with our neuro typical brothers like good neighbors.

"Well it seems to me that we should look at everything best in mononationality countries like Israel, Japan, Belorus (not kidding) and etc. BUT it must be Open Democrasity. WE really don’t want to be isolated country with some kind off monarchy or this stuff." - the main idea

DenRF, you're a crazy, authoritarian nutter, who fortunately will not get any of your dreams realized.

Some evidence for my position:

No freedom of religion.


Taking children away from their parents on grounds of them being "defective".


Government-enforced cultural practices.


Presumably, you'll have your door kicked in if they suspect you're drinking alcohol, and if you're an addict, the government will seize you by force and cure you.

This is what we in the political business call a "police state".


*sigh* People like you are the reason we aren't able to unite - there's too much disagreement about the who's and how's of implementing such a plan, with some wanting to breed a "super race" of Aspies, which naturally draws the comparison with Hitler.

If you want Aspies to unite and push for such a proposal, ala World Zionist Organisation, drop the racial superiority complex and the plans for a police state. Maybe then I will support an Aspie Congress.

We don't need a society of people like us, we need a diverse society of accepting people not necessarily like us, any open communal commune is a haven, any urban black hole is a nightmare, be it an aspie or NT one.

I have recently, within the past hour, been browsing Wikipedia articles about the founding of the modern State of Israel - which naturally led me on to the article about Kibbutz's and their importance in building the state. After finding my way back to this thread by googling "Aspie supremacy", I came across this post of mine:

This, or at any rate the thoughts I had when writing, to my mind sounds like a Kibbutz for Aspies (I'm using Aspie as a shorthand for all autistics who are high enough functioning to join such a project; it's a much more used term than Autie). I was thinking, at the age of 8-14 - really, whatever point they're ready; I was thinking 12 as a general rule - children would go to board at the academy (obviously their parents would be within easy reach, being no more than a couple of miles away in the grounds of the Kibbutz). There, they'd be educated in whatever subject is their interest, probably teaching themselves much it. There would be a farm, as I've said, and cottages in the grounds - personally, I'd have it so married couples go to live in the cottages, with those who are unmarried living in the main buildings, although variations can be expected to suit the particular settlers. The source of profit would be the immense pool of talent one can expect to find - the Kibbutz would act as a negotiator, as it were. Say, for example, someone's special interest is washing machines, and as a result they can fix any washing machine you put before them. If people need theirs fixing, then, they can just come and pay up; the person doing the fixing gets a percentage, the Kibbutz takes the rest. Perhaps that was a bad example; maybe a more likely scenario is that of an Aspie who's interest is in fashion, who makes clothes to sell. But the source of revenue is clear.

I, of course, will not be involved in the day-to-day running of the Kibbutz's - I would rather take the role that the Rothschild's played in the formation of Israel, acting as a source of funding and advice. Now I just need to make my family rich...

Magneto, the kibbutz worked so well because they were founded by socialists and worked as stateless societies by common minded people, it's just not the same but I see the analogy, starting small, and the school truly is the starting point.

I'm not sure I'm on board with the idea, but I'm not at all opposed to it either. It would be nice to be surrounded by people of my own kind, but I'm not sure it would work.

I was depressed, all people are like crazy around me, i say one, they make own move,and say nine, actually, they listen what like listen them big ego. And i always realize that after conversation with nt person he or she has feeling that i took something from them, actually that is again them big ego, to find me downer than self, evean some if they have chance to see on camera that i nothing take, they continue to have that feeling, some of them tell me, some of them i see in them behavior.
Your idea have made me happy, i imagine that beautiful world.

There are already schools and colleges for autistic people. High schools and whatnot. There is this expensive-ass college in Vermont that is for "disabled" or something as well so there is a precedent.

Really? How similar is it to my "vision"? I'm asking because I want to know what's already been tried, what works etc, hence my interest in Israel.

It seems we have, at the very least, two kinds of "separatists" - the supremacists, who believe that Aspies (or Homo Aspergius, as they often say) is a superior kind of human to Enties (Homo Sapiens); and those who wish to be left alone by the rest of the world and have a place where they are safe to be themselves. Unfortunately, the former appear to outnumber the latter...

So, who else is interested in a nationbuilding plan?

I find that supremely unlikely

So do I. It's probably because the supremacists are more vocal about their viewpoints, whereas separatists often just vaguely mumble about how they wish there was such a place... and most of them don't actually want a separate, Aspie, state. I don;t know where AgentPalpatine is on that particular spectrum... it would be nice to have a list of names, and their particular views on the matter.

Perhaps, in a few years, Ethnogensis may have happened to make it a much more viable proposition. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see people identifying as Aspie in that way. If that happens, we are in a stronger position.

Magneto, I'm honestly quite pleased to be remembered 8 months later. As I have stated previously, I think discussions of a "nation" are counter-productive at this point in time, for reasons I will explain below. I also believe that discussions of an "Aspie Community" should be encouraged.

Magneto draws examples from the creation of the State of Israel on May 15, 1948. The Zionist movement took more than 50 years to get to that point, and came within days of defeat in those 50 years more times than I can count.

A "nation", as in a sovereign government, generally has a reasonably defined territory and a monopoly on force in that territory. I am not aware of anywhere in the world where the aspie community currently has anywhere near the level of organization that would lead to that level of political influence, and it is probably counter-productive to suggest at this point.

Zionism grew out of almost 1900 years of living in Exile after the last major revolts in (what is now) Israel against the Romans, while Aspies currently have less than 15 years of online discussions. I think discussions of an "Aspie Community" would be much more productive.

Obviously. I'm not suggesting we upsticks right now and declare an independent nation, and I'd much prefer to trial my Kibbutzim idea before attempting to put it in to practice. However, one must realise that times move quicker in the modern age, and also that settlers were arriving in Israel several decades prior to it's founding.

Also, the term nation is distinct from the term state, though they are often used interchangeably. I do recognise that the formation of a sovereign *state* is unrealistic at the current time; however, the creation of a *nation* - a collection of communities - within another state is not (shame; I was looking forward to forming the Aspie Defence Force ).

Before that, of course, must come the establishment of a single, prototype, aspie community. Here, the first question must be location. Certain countries are out, I fear, due to the meddling one can expect from their government - I do not trust them to not send in the child protection services on the pretext that autistic parents are incapable of being good parents. However, it must be somewhere politically stable, with cheap land and access to "civilisation". I'm thinking perhaps a European country?

Then we need to select a model. I, personally, am partial to my modified Kibbutz notion, however it would seem to be best if we design it to be modifiable if whichever attempt being trialled doesn't work.

Of course, for all this we need funding - and organisation. If somekind of small group was formed, perhaps they could raise the issue at Autreat (disclaimer: I've never been to Autreat), or somesuch?