Are people with autism borderline sociopaths?

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20 Nov 2011, 3:57 pm

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It's important to try and be on good public behavior, even (or especially) in a forum full of aspies, for the same reason why you wouldn't have gone around lighting dining room candles with a blowtorch on the Hindenburg. There's value in social restraint, and I believe most aspies (or at least the overlapping group with ADD) ultimately come to recognize that. We might be really, really bad at pulling it off effectively, but that doesn't mean there's no value in trying. We just have to recognize that we can't keep up the act 24/7, and build enough buffers into our environments to heal and recover in between stressful interactions. In my case, the acting is almost entirely negative restraint rather than positive projection.

The meds (currently, Vyvanse augmented by dexedrine at both ends of the day) help enormously. I shudder to think of the smoldering wreckage my life would be without them to keep me relatively functional through most of the day.

My life was a wreck without meds. It was BAD. Very, very, bad.

I'm on an all Dexedrine IR regimen, which I like best. Vyvanse became way too inconsistent. I thank God for these medications every day. I don't joke when I say that I would be dead without them.

And I agree with you, restraint is vital, both in life, and in writing. I mean, if I wanted to write something completely honest, unfiltered, and unrestrained, I suppose I could write something like William Burroughs' "Naked Lunch" but there isn't a huge market for stuff like that.

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20 Nov 2011, 3:59 pm

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I'm narcissistic, it's different. .

Cling to that all you want.
Although FYI: it's not different.Narcissism will soon be erased from DSM IV and merged into sociopathy.

It's not you know...NPD is being merged with cluster B and something (at the time of writing, not very accurate) akin to sociopathy is making a quite separate appearance.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:00 pm

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Ok guys, let's stop fighting. I think it is clear now that Autism is not borderline pyschopathy, and there is no reason for as to keep calling eachother such and start a flame war.

Nobody is fighting. It seems to me we were having an objective and fruitful discussion when TheygoMew and DemonAbyss10 suddenly took a humour to act as if it were a fight instead.

Where is the humour? Point it out and I am expressing my observations and opinions. If you could sense the actual tone of my text it is calm.

"Humour" in this context, is Irish vernacular denoting "mood" or "notion" not comedy.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:02 pm

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fraac wrote:

I'm narcissistic, it's different. .

Cling to that all you want.
Although FYI: it's not different.Narcissism will soon be erased from DSM IV and merged into sociopathy.

It's fundamentally different, it just looks the same in many situations. Other situations the difference would be glaring and if you were watching you'd have an epiphany. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I like those moments where new information is suddenly learned.

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I mean, if I wanted to write something completely honest, unfiltered, and unrestrained, I suppose I could write something like William Burroughs' "Naked Lunch" but there isn't a huge market for stuff like that.

Dude, you're writing for a market and getting upset that aspies are finding it fake. What did you honestly think would happen? You can't have it both ways.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:09 pm

Is it sociopathic contagion if I'm finding myself increasingly amused?
Gee, I hope not :lol:
Why are you guys infiltrating anyway? What's your interest? We don't have much in common if that's what you're looking for....Looking for a family? A support group? Friends? :lol:

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20 Nov 2011, 4:10 pm

fraac wrote:

ediself wrote:

fraac wrote:

I'm narcissistic, it's different. .

Cling to that all you want.
Although FYI: it's not different.Narcissism will soon be erased from DSM IV and merged into sociopathy.

TM wrote:

Dude, you're writing for a market and getting upset that aspies are finding it fake. What did you honestly think would happen? You can't have it both ways.

I'm not upset about that. My writing is my perspective. Parts of it are very, uncomfortably real, and parts are summarized.

I don't like having my feelings invalidated and being referred to as a sociopath, but this whole conversation has actually helped me a lot.

I feel pretty good about myself, and am not so dismayed about my breakup. My ex-girlfriend had no real knowledge of or experience with autism. It took her by surprise. She didn't know how to handle it or what to expect. All the rules suddenly changed on her. She was confused and angry. She didn't mean the hurtful things she said anymore than I did. If she took the time to read, say, Tony Attwood's "Complete Guide To Asperger Syndrome" she would understand how all our problems had been related to our mutual lack of understanding.

Bottom line: She was a wonderful and brilliant young woman, who happened to be very insecure and sarcastic. She is also an aspiring lawyer. I'm an Aspie. Bad mix! Nobody's fault, just a very, very bad mix.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:14 pm

ediself: I'm putting off going out into the world because I'm worried it might be scared of me. I would say that being autistic is the most obvious thing about me, however few people notice it.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:16 pm

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being autistic is the most obvious thing about me, however few people notice it.

How obvious is it then?

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20 Nov 2011, 4:19 pm

I'm 13 pages in to a discussion about different neurologies. It's pretty obvious.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:20 pm

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Is it sociopathic contagion if I'm finding myself increasingly amused?
Gee, I hope not :lol:

Why are you guys infiltrating anyway? What's your interest? We don't have much in common if that's what you're looking for....Looking for a family? A support group? Friends? :lol:

Do you believe that people are always looking for some kind of personal attention from you?

Do you not realise that sometimes they, simply, are not?

Incidentally, if you will not have greater care for yourself then have greater care that to bring your child up around a sociopath is to place his emotional welfare at serious risk...you should try to stop that.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:21 pm

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ediself: I'm putting off going out into the world because I'm worried it might be scared of me. I would say that being autistic is the most obvious thing about me, however few people notice it.

That is an intriguing statement...explain more?

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20 Nov 2011, 4:23 pm

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ediself wrote:

Is it sociopathic contagion if I'm finding myself increasingly amused?
Gee, I hope not :lol:

Why are you guys infiltrating anyway? What's your interest? We don't have much in common if that's what you're looking for....Looking for a family? A support group? Friends? :lol:

Oh honey

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20 Nov 2011, 4:24 pm

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Incidentally, if you will not have greater care for yourself then have greater care that to bring your child up around a sociopath is to place his emotional welfare at serious risk...you should try to stop that.

Oh honey

Well if you think that is so cute and funny....

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20 Nov 2011, 4:25 pm

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Well if you think that is so cute and funny....

I think you're cute and funny.

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20 Nov 2011, 4:30 pm

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Well if you think that is so cute and funny....

I think you're cute and funny.

In the same sense that placing your child at serious risk of emotional damage for the sake of an apparent sense of personal gratification is cute and funny? or a different kind of "cute and funny"?

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20 Nov 2011, 4:34 pm

Zeraeph wrote:

ediself wrote:

zeraeph wrote:

Well if you think that is so cute and funny....

I think you're cute and funny.

In the same sense that placing your child at serious risk of emotional damage for the sake of an apparent sense of personal gratification is cute and funny? or a different kind of "cute and funny"?

Ok, that is far enough.

Let's keep hurtful, personal statements out of this discussion. I don't want the thread to end up locked.

@Ediself: I'm very sorry that you are ensnared in such a difficult situation. I'm sure it is far more complicated than any of us could ever realize.

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