Playing the Autism Card May Be Harmful to Humanity

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Great message, W person:

Sounds to me like it was hell...no one understood he had congenital brain damage, and people were forcing him to perform tasks he was unable to perform and blaming it on him when he could not succeed...but we can just call it suffering instead of hell....


Yeah, ha ha...


False point, as you probably know. I practically never respond to comments on WP or other venues and sometimes think about a given question for months if not years before I speak, though since this is my thread I am more likely to respond here. For enquiry, on this thread, at least, all that is necessary is to actively ponder the material, though sometimes a written response may be called for and is even wonderful, such as many if not most of the responses here. As I have said, one way to pay is to think actively about this material and to speak or not speak, if appropriate.

To consciously wait can become a powerful conduit of information, just as to not speak when it is required by conscience to speak can leak force.


Agreed.

I must make the point here that to me Willard or anyone is not just Willard. I am not even just myself to myself. If I were, that would turn me into a dog which would make no sense from the perspective of being human and able to feel remorse for some of my past responses. For example, I am myself to "me" from one angle, but at the same time there is a simple perception of the physical body (littlebee:-) as she (it) is moving around doing this and that, so as an object of knowledge, something that exists and is simply being looked at. I suppose this can even extend to impartiality toward ones own subjective thinking as it is occurring, though I have only experienced on rare occasions a small taste of this. Also I am trying to orchestrate my world and the universe around me and definitely including other people into it, trying to take into account both their perspective and mine. It is interesting and rewarding from both ends. Does someone ever have to feel pain? Unfortunately sometimes yes, and it could even be me, but it can lead to inner growth.


Yeah, maybe I should have just waited and not written this, but I had a 'point' to get across.

It's not about semantics littlebee. It's not whether he meant torture or suffering, it's that he made a very clear statement about life from his experience, and all you were able to perceive was a "gripe." You were seemingly unable to respond to him because you could not comprehend what he was saying.

If you're going to tell people what is wrong with how they think, you need to be able to communicate with other people. If you can't communicate or understand what they write when they are speaking to you, how can you tell them they are wrong? I don't think you're intellectually unable to understand, I think you can't allow yourself to understand. Do you see the irony? All your messages about people limiting themselves and not inquiring, but you are like the personification of everything you are claiming to be against.

Too bad you aren't really discussing what you think you are discussing because issues of free will and responsibility are important and interesting.

Okay...for those who have waited patiently, the aim here, for me at least, is not necessarily to communicate with one person, which imo can be way over-rated in certain instances, even deflecting an entire conversation into the nether, leaking a lot of force that could potentially be harnessed for the benefit of many, though, depending on the context, could possibly be extremely generative, and some of the recent feedback has been helpful.

The aim for me is to enquire along the lines of the topic of this thread. For those who do not at this point understand the basic concept of encapsulation regarding human brain function and what I mean by playing the autism card in this regard, imo the main body of readers has caught on, but for those who do not understand, perhaps because you are new to this thread or have not read all the material and taken the time to ponder it, if you are even interested, take your time.

In the meantime I have been looking over some of the previous writings of Willard, an extremely intelligent, witty and likeable person who has a somewhat different view of the nature of asperger's syndrome then I do, and I may attempt to respond to some of these previous posts in the future, plus I have been reevaluating my own aim and participation in regard to this thread, which is one reason I need to pause and take it kind of easy here for a while and reevaluate my own participation (which I previous erroneously thought was an A-) but which I now see as maybe a B, but I will still write some thoughts and respond to some posts and also share the new turn in my own thinking and why I may need to start one or more new threads and/or write on some other threads in order to appropriately respond to some of the questions that have arisen in myself.

I think you just illustrated my point that you are unable to communicate with people and are only able to speak at them.

Maybe in this instance, instead of continuing to speak about how an entire group of people are wrong thinking, you should stick to speaking about yourself and your own experiences. You could address the issue of why you are so frightened of talking with the people you have spent months talking down (on a public forum no less). Inquire about yourself, maybe get a grip on the fact that you don't know what's best for anybody else.

yeah, ha ha....



What's the group? People who think they are born the way the are and that this is the source of all their social problems? I believe the larger population on WP to whom I am actually speaking and who probably constitute the major readership of this thread do not swallow that story whole...they know intuitively that though it may be true in some way, there is something off about it....



You mean all these people who are hitting the button on this thread again and again and telling other people about it, very recently 5000 hits in one day and another day, 4500, are reading this material because they think/feel I am talking down to them and want to see how I will do it next???

Unlikely.



Because you say so or because it is meaningful to me? You would need to engage me, but I am already engaged in self enquiry and gone deeper and deeper for many decades which is how I discovered what I know about human brain function (with also the help of some wonderful teachers). and of course I want to share the gift of this information with as many people as possible and by involving, not just telling....

If you have any good ideas on the subject of this thread, even ideas contrary to my own and put them out here, you will get a large readership. Again many people who are following this thread are not doing so to see how they will be put down. That would not be smart, and smart people are reading this.The sections on word roots had a large readership. Do not waste precious time...too many people are suffering. It is necessary to put water on the fire, but I don't think going along with someones false ideas about reality is a productive endeavor.....

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I've given it some thought, and I have come to the conclusion that playing the autism card is definitely not harmful to humanity.
I have a good idea of what is harmful to humanity and what is not harmful to humanity.
I cannot see a single instance where playing the autism card would be harmful to humanity, in fact, I think the idea is ridiculous.

Thanks for posting this. I am starting to think along this kind of line a bit, too, recently, especially in the last week, and eventually (meaning pretty soon) I intend to share my thinking along these lines...the idea of this thread is to enquire into this subject. and in order to explain how I conceived of this concept possibly being true I have had to go into encapsulation....actually the point could be made that playing any kind of psychological card about ones perceived 'self' could be harmful to humanity....

cute faces!! !

I wasn't talking about you not responding to me, you actually have been responding to me!

You just can't learn what other people need by self inquiry - you can only learn what you need by doing that. Unless the entire Autistic community is made up of littlebee clones, it just doesn't work.

somethin's working here:-) and actually the way to learn about brain function is to observe your own brain function and enquire into that...and can do it if you develop attention, at the same time you are enquiring into ideas with others...good for me and anyone else who is doing so....and actually self enquiry, if deep, connects a person to all humanity...

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I think it would be really interesting if you unfragiled yourself and listened to what everyone is telling you, but like I said, you can't allow it. Anyway, I can't go on any more because remember I have a rule about stupid circular arguments.

I suggest to notice the affect created by different kinds of watered-down idea content as compared to the conscious and active processing of data-- an entirely different quality. What we are looking for here is two consonant bases with whatever inserted vowels required to give meaning in the middle, the center of each, but with the end letter of the first base being the first letter of the second base, so the discerned meaning being between and yet comprehensive, like a bridge. Or a horse with a rider. The horse is not quite tamed but in its horse heart it wants to be and is starting to accept the rider on its back because that rider seems to know where the horse wants to go, even though the horse does not yet know it. So ones body not moving at a whim, but harnessed by intent, and hopefully for the sake of ones brother. Active thinking is a part of it.

Whose ideas about reality are false and whose are real? Who decides that?

Hey Marybird....don't quite get the exact point of your asking this, but I assume it is in the spirit of enquiry, plus the cat is so adorable....

You do. Each person has to decide for himself...and the way people organize community around subjective beliefs they hold in common affects the things people do with and to each other....I think we will both agree that certain false ideas that people have, including sometimes ourselves (which hopefully we become aware of at some point) discolor our perception of reality. The problem here is that these ideas are kind of intermingled with so many true ideas, and all of this is making a framework we are functioning from, and what glues it all together? Feeling---feeling bad, feeling good and sometimes not even being aware of what we are feeling or if that feeling is triggered or coming from our whole selves, meaning conscious integrative reason, so intelligence.

Actually the comment I made that you quoted is sort of iffy in the sense that sometimes a person can give a lot of love and put the healing fluid of great compassion upon the wounds of another person's suffering while at the same time not stripping away that person's illusions which are self protective, and I realized when I wrote this that there is a discrepancy factor but went ahead and said it anyway because in the long run I do not think it is that productive an endeavor, especially on WP with this group of us here to let certain illusions about the nature of autism stay completely intact, though it could be helpful to a child or even an adult at a certain point in his or her development and in individual situations would surely apply even here...I have more to write in regard to the individual verification process, authority, both false and another kind of authority which is sometimes called natural authority, and also about the formation of community and how it can affect other communities or greater community but will wait a while until I hear from you, if you even care to reply, and then go ahead, maybe later today or tomorrow.

Hey is for horses.



Exactly. Thank you.
I was asking because when you wrote something about going along with someones false ideas about reality, I was wondering who decided their ideas were false.
Since everyone has their own reality, what false ideas about reality are you talking about?
What are the true ideas?
I thought you were talking about not going along with someone else's false ideas about reality.

I don't mean to intrude but could somebody please telling me what's going on? Ever since noting the replies in this thread trying to have some sort of idea or understanding of what people were talking about in this thread. I am totally lost.