Rampage killer Chris Harper-Mercer was an Aspie

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27 Mar 2021, 1:19 pm

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I think if someone kills, they have something seriously wrong with them because no normal person would go out and kill someone. Unless they are in a war or doing self defense.


This.
It takes a lot to murder someone, which is why the vast majority of people don't and wouldn't murder. I could stab my work colleague right now using a tool in the warehouse, but I don't. I don't want to. The urge doesn't exist with me. So it's probably the same with everyone else.


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27 Mar 2021, 1:42 pm

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I think if someone kills, they have something seriously wrong with them because no normal person would go out and kill someone. Unless they are in a war or doing self defense.


Based on the people who get convicted of murder what you think of people who murder is actually a reflection of who does it.

Some of them are impulsive acts by people who otherwise never would have acted in such a manner.

Others are committed by people for whom violence has been normalized, often committed with a sense of justification similar to soldiers or LEOs who kill.

Some certainly have some issues, but often those issues don't amount to an explanation for why they acted the way they did. Narcissists, people with anti-social personality disorder, some people with PTSD, some people with ASD, etc might end up killing and those conditions might play into their thinking but the vast majority of people with those sorts of concerns don't end up killing so it's hard to make a case that what was 'wrong' with them actually was responsible.

Some people will kill with very little motive needed, so long as the context allows it to be viewed as normal behaviour or allows for them to deny involvement. Other people won't kill if they're holding a loaded rifle with literal Nazis shooting towards their position. Sometimes people who seem like the latter will cross a threshold and start to find it easier, other times for whom it's long been normalized will suddenly stop being able to do it ever again.

Our current society is a lot less violent than was typical in the past. This makes it easier to believe that only certain individuals are capable of deadly violence. I wouldn't believe that's actually the case. Instead I'd suggest that fewer people face situations that make one likely to have to consider if using force is worthwhile or necessary.



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27 Mar 2021, 1:42 pm

Joe90 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think if someone kills, they have something seriously wrong with them because no normal person would go out and kill someone. Unless they are in a war or doing self defense.


This.
It takes a lot to murder someone, which is why the vast majority of people don't and wouldn't murder. I could stab my work colleague right now using a tool in the warehouse, but I don't. I don't want to. The urge doesn't exist with me. So it's probably the same with everyone else.


How often has assuming that everyone else thinks like you proven itself to be correct in your experience? :scratch:



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27 Mar 2021, 6:39 pm

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Joe90 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think if someone kills, they have something seriously wrong with them because no normal person would go out and kill someone. Unless they are in a war or doing self defense.


This.
It takes a lot to murder someone, which is why the vast majority of people don't and wouldn't murder. I could stab my work colleague right now using a tool in the warehouse, but I don't. I don't want to. The urge doesn't exist with me. So it's probably the same with everyone else.


How often has assuming that everyone else thinks like you proven itself to be correct in your experience? :scratch:


Well, why else don't the vast majority of people commit murder? Jeez, just use your common sense and stop trying to make me explain everything.


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27 Mar 2021, 6:43 pm

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Joe90 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I think if someone kills, they have something seriously wrong with them because no normal person would go out and kill someone. Unless they are in a war or doing self defense.


This.
It takes a lot to murder someone, which is why the vast majority of people don't and wouldn't murder. I could stab my work colleague right now using a tool in the warehouse, but I don't. I don't want to. The urge doesn't exist with me. So it's probably the same with everyone else.


How often has assuming that everyone else thinks like you proven itself to be correct in your experience? :scratch:


Well, why else don't the vast majority of people commit murder? Jeez, just use your common sense and stop trying to make me explain everything.


Fear of punishment, possessing healthier coping mechanisms for resolving conflict etc.

Please explain your position if you actually can make a coherent case for it. Just insisting that your own feelings must be typical of everyone else isn't actually making a case.



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27 Mar 2021, 6:51 pm

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Fear of punishment, possessing healthier coping mechanisms for resolving conflict etc.


The latter is basically what I meant, and the former probably applies to more aggressive people. It's factors like herd mentality, conscience, empathy, sanity, that get most of us non-murderers through each day.

I didn't mean it literally, I just said it's probably the same for everyone else ("everyone" not to be taken literally, it can be another word for "vast majority").


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