Optimism and Reality: Goldfish21 Response to me

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I never suggested giving up. I merely suggested that some of us have to kick harder to open the door.

Yep. Sure we do! We sometimes have to kick the door harder. No doubt about that.

I've had to kick the door pretty hard a few times.....

I'm familiar. I'm on the Autism spectrum. I've made FAR more mistakes than my NT peers. If I were born with a handful of Aces I'd be a multimillionaire by now instead of working my ass off to see if I can somehow earn my way up to a different life situation.

But just because I wasn't dealt a handful of Aces right at the start of the game doesn't mean I'm not going to play the game as best I can & still try to win. That's my point in all of these posts - not precluding that you're going to lose the game and folding/forfeiting etc. Playing it to the best of your ability despite the probability of success. Enjoying the game along the way, too.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? Please explain what you mean?

It's a song by the Beatles whose lyrics talks about an LSD trip. It was done in 1967, at the height of the "hippie" movement.

Elton John did the song about ten years later.

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Like McClain had to do in some of the Die Hard movies?

Like White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane "Remember what the Door Mouse said Feed your head.

But, what was her point though. I don't get it.

Why is it difficult to do that? When I had to write an algorithm for a programming class on how to unclog a sink with drano I wrote out about 100 steps to do that. If I'm being told to be something or do something why is it not easy to break the steps down to me? Can you explain your perception?




Not made from metal and wires but we as people are still in a way organic machines. I mean the brain is the CPU.



Thanks!



When you say "put a positive vibe out there" that's confusing for me and it sounds like new age speak. But I'm assuming if I project it towards and around other people, correct?



Thing is, you spoke like a number of people speak and it came across as woo until I was able to put 2 and 2 and make 4. Let me put it to you this way. It took me a while to understand positive and negative were emotional states in certain contexts and not mathematical and logical operators. In boolean logic a negative is negation and if you take the negation of negation of something you have a positive. In math a --4 is the same as +4 or 4.



Some people do. You're right, you didn't.



Like I said, it took me a bit to understand that positivity and negativity were not just logical or mathematical operators but emotional states so I thought of it more as in boolean reasoning and trying to use boolean reasoning with the "universe."(Is that the correct new age term? I don't know. I don't know how else to say it.)



Well, in a way I guess everyone has faith in something. Even in math and logic we have what is called axioms that are either self evident or we simply accept as true without proof before it.



In other words, you're saying even if I feel I can't do something or even if the facts state in the negative try it anyway and ditch how I feel and what the facts say. Is that what you're saying? If it is, you're asking me to do something that is (best way I can describe) of the twilight zone or the outer limits.



Because, it's not logical to think that way unless the logic I'm operating under is faulty. But, you say it worked for you. So, if it does work then there must be a logic behind it that makes it work. What is that logic? I will accept that maybe I'm operating under fallacious reasoning and if I am then I have faulty premises. What are those faulty premises if I have any.

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She's saying that we're pretty creative, I believe. And maybe a little "trippy." You were getting into some "spiritual" stuff. Like some of the stuff the Hippies were into.

No, Mr. Cube.....I'm not an afficianado of Bruce Willis and his Die Hard movies. They're okay---but nothing more than that.

May Dropping some sheets of Acid would help understand where goldfish is coming from.

LSD was frequently used in sugar cubes in the 1960s----if not even today.

I probably wouldn't be able to handle it.

The thing about LSD: it could be great for some, really screwy for others.

When I was 18-19. This middle aged man said I didn't need LSD. I already was there.

Yep....I'm pretty well "there," too.

People have always thought I was on amphetamines, for some reason.

Even as someone educated in process engineering & technical writing, it's difficult to put into words how to do something that's now my natural state of being. I don't input any sort of special effort to see opportunities everywhere vs. obstacles in my way - I just do it. It's akin to asking someone to describe exactly how to breathe. It's a simple enough function, but I couldn't put it into words & a precise step by step process because it's something that's automated by our bodies. Same for being optimistic. It just IS.

That said, yes, we ARE somewhat like organic machines, our brains CPUS, and we can & do program them via learning. I've read a couple dozen positive thinking/self help type books in my life and will likely read many more. Some of them were written nearly a hundred years ago, others much more recently, but all of them are very similar as the concepts people try to convey are universal truths about how we think, feel, and operate. Each of their advice is a little different and has value. I read a fair number of them while I was depressed and no amount of learning about how to think happier actually made me happier - but it did give me insight and tools to do so. Eventually I ended up reading Feeling Good by Dr. David Burns, and it's a more clinical approach to happy thinking. Honestly, of all of the books I've read on the topic, given the way your brain works right now w/ logic, reasoning, facts etc it's definitely hands down the number one book I'd recommend you read. It's full of real world stories of others who have overcome their depression, and psychiatrist's methods to do so via self administered written CBT that's all quantified & scored to compare and monitor your progress. I think learning what's in the book, ~700 pages, would serve you well. Also, it's a REALLY GOOD attempt at explaining the process of How to do it. Dr. Burns has put in the time and effort to write 700 pages about it, likely with great difficulty. That's what I mean when I say it's difficult to put into words.. not impossible, just VERY time consuming to attempt to explain and there's no sense in me re-inventing the wheel when there's an entire library of self help positive thinking books already written, and this one, in particular, that would benefit you more than any other since it's very clinical and has an approximately zero "woo woo" factor to accept.

When I read it, it pissed me off in the moment because I did the exercises daily and my scores got worse, not better, as my thinking got worse, not better. Therein lied it's value, though. It was that experience that helped me realize that I was getting worse, not better, and that SOMETHING was causing it - I just had to figure out what it was. Eventually life led me to figuring out the food acid sensitivity and that I was accidentally poisoning myself with everything I was eating and putting on my skin, pharmaceuticals I had previously taken etc, and that the antidote was a simple replenishing of minerals via epsom salts on my skin. 5 days after starting the salts on my skin the worst depression & anxiety of my entire life that had persisted and gotten worse for 5 straight months was all but completely lifted. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is f*****g right - turns out my negative depressed state of mind programming was actually being caused by an acid trip, and once I was "sobered up" from the drug, my mindset returned to more of a neutral state & then ever more positive since with diet/exercise/supplements/probiotics etc etc.

As for LSD/mushrooms.. they do in fact help one's outlook & general mindset. In different ways. LSD makes one more open and creative for sure. Mushrooms are MUCH better for relieving clinical depression - they're like a nice ctrl+alt+del reboot for the mind when you just need a fresh start and clean slate outlook. Don't discount the medicinal value of things like this. They do in fact have extremely beneficial uses. If you've never experienced them, you don't know what you don't know. Especially with psilocybin mushrooms - which are also rated as the safest recreational drug humans consume.

Anyways, read the book Feeling Good by Dr. David Burns and you'll have a lot of extremely logical well reasoned answers to your questions that someone else has taken the time to elaborate on for several hundred pages. It's a fantastic starting point for learning how others think more positively and how you can, step by step, do so for yourself.

Because to the outside observer people w/ ASD often appear to be under the influence of drugs. It's not all that different when your nervous system isn't firing normally. It's also very similar when it's food chemicals you've ingested that are tripping out your brain, too.

..or maybe he just didn't want to share his stash.

Likely due to anxiety & OCD, and perhaps one-track-mind type focus on completing something as has been described by some ASD experts like being "wound up like a toy" and then set loose to do _____ task.