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Smiles , same situation.. growing up in early school and was no better at home siblings equally abusive , physically / mentally . Some where my mom decided my younger brother needed a sparring partner, while he and I took
Very early judo classes for a season . My mom noting that I was extremely meek , and very quiet.
But was finding that was having less issues at school . And she did not expect nor my older siblings that I would ever use it against my own family sibling , when attacked. That circumvented much of the physical violence that , was experiencing at home.
Yes it is easy to understand how the Thinker , might be a good representation of Aspies .

Many diagnosed with autism have found wrestling is right sport.

https://nwhof.org/news/many-diagnosed-w ... ight-sport

Yesterday I got into a discussion about "The Many Lives of Dobie Gillis", which then lead to a discussion of THE THINKER, and then finally ended up talking about Dual Process Theory. Hummmmmm, that was a strange journey.

So what is DUAL PROCESS THEORY? Apparently it is a means of making decisions using two different trains of thought.

For example, the NT (Neurotypical) train of thought and the ND (Neurodivergent) when combined together can produce a thought process that is more flexible and accurate then relying on one thought process alone.

In other words by combining Mr. Spock and James T. Kirk together, their combined thought process surpasses anything that could be obtained by relying on their individual thought processes.

That makes sense to me.

So essentially Dual Process Theory is used by the medical community. Good to know.

The Dual Process Theory has been adapted from the psychology literature to describe how clinicians think when reasoning through a patient’s case. The dual processes, or System 1 and System 2, work together by enabling a clinician to think both fast and slow when reasoning through a patient's presentation.

System 1 is intuitive, efficient, and based on pattern recognition. Reasoning using System 1 often occurs so quickly that we do not explicitly recognize it as a distinct cognitive process. For example, a post-operative patient with sinus tachycardia, asymmetric lower extremity edema, and hypoxia is recognized immediately as having a pulmonary embolus by an experienced clinician. This rapid thinking draws on prior clinical experience and is invaluable in helping busy clinicians accurately assess and treat patients with straightforward presentations.

In contrast, System 2 is an analytical cognitive process that is time intensive and deliberate. It involves the conscious, explicit application of an analytical approach to arrive at the correct diagnosis. An HIV positive patient with a CD4 count of 50 with fevers, weight loss, headaches, diarrhea, and recent travel to South Africa would likely activate System 2 reasoning given the myriad diagnostic possibilities. Complicated or atypical patient presentations that do not closely match known patterns require clinicians to slow down and systematically consider multiple potential etiologies to avoid making diagnostic errors.

Source: Dual Process Theory Overview

Well one might think, tightly so, that this dual process concept has helped save a great many lives , but . I think Aspies often have a tendency to use both of these processes . , but I guess that might depend also on any one Aspies experiences , realizing that quick judgements do not always get them what they want , possibly depending on what level of Autism they are at ?

Hmmmmm! I guess that can make some sense. Let us analyze ME.

I go to see my doctor, but he will not see me because I have some symptoms that may or may not make me a COVID patient. He sends me to the main hospital located fifteen miles away. I go there and they discover my heart rate is abnormally high. They think that I have COVID after giving me a type of medicine that stops my heart beating. This medicine is so rarely used that many members of the hospital staff join in to watch me get this shot. They put me into an ambulance and send me to the big city around an hour and a half away. I arrive and they put me into a COVID ward (to die). They give me that strange medication that stops my heart beating a couple more times.

But a few days later, I am not dead because I do not have COVID. But rather I am about to die of a massive heart attack. So they release me and send me back home.

So in a sense, I go to the hospital with a System 1 problem, but they treat it as a System 2 problem. Very valuable time is lost before they realize that I am not a System 2 problem. So a month or two passes until, the System 1 problem is corrected with surgery. But by that time my body has been so damaged that even though I didn't die of a massive heart attack, I then died from a massive stroke. But I didn't die. Only around 2 percent of my brain cells died which then because the brain cells work in series design affected greater than 20 percent of my brain cells.

So at this point I have recovered as many of my partially operative brain cells that I could. And somehow I have to rebuild the ones that have been destroyed. Boy, I am so lucky that I only lost my reading ability rather than my writing ability. Wait a minute, that doesn't make a lot of sense. If I kept my reading ability, I would have solved this problem long ago.

BLOODY HELL

I think a dual process theory concept approach is a very good approach when it is used correctly. But with COVID, I think they threw away their toolset.

Is there such a thing as a no brain theory? I wish to know because that's most humans seem to be able to actually live and function without one. As for my own brain, today it has officially turned to slime and is oozing out of my ears because of all the humans who live without a brain at all are allowed to to do things like vote, drive, have children and even run a country.

Very good description of what you had described in the above post,by Jimmy M , am sorry you had to suffer the stupidity of those medical professionals. Am very glad you survived to tell the story. Thank you for sharing this often times , I have had to sign papers concerning refusing medical advise. My Covid emergency experience is /was alittle different.
They were considerably more pragmatic in there methods . Which thankfully cause they were very busy they did not try to over analyze the situation , and approached it from a very basic treatment guideline . Not paying much attention to my heart beat, but rather immediately onto high percentage oxygen . And noted that my lung infection was also a MERSA type infection, And started IV of Vancomyicin . Do not know exactly all the initial details .
But added IM. Anti coagulant. And strict dietary changes as I recovered . But initially after the admin of high oxygen
They basic put me in a isolation room to see if I would survive also . And after approx. 10 days of this was good enough that they sent me home with regular visits from PT and OT nurses . But they were eager to put me on a Do not Resucitate status . But I would not be intubated. And made a difficult recovery and still experience some postCovid symptoms. Congradulations on your recovery , sorry about your brain cell loss .
Might consider Biocopa mushroom supplement as well as egg Lecithin , and fish oil supplements. These contain most of the most urgent the necessary supplementation for the body to use to manufacture brain cells . There are other s
But after extensive studying about Nootropics. These seem to be the most immediate useable ones that I am aware of … (including limited periodic use of caffeine in the form of coffee ) strictly my preference, but many other sources exist. [ just my own personal experience.]

Btw Trolling of this thread IS NOT appreciated…….

Life can become illogical. But one of your two brains may find a degree of logic in the chaos.

I remember that somewhere during my stay in the hospital wards, I was on oxygen. My main nurse was adamant about it. Well one night, a different nurse came by and I asked her if she could reduce it. She had no problem doing this and cut it to ZERO. The next day my main nurse showed up. She found that I no longer was on oxygen but I WAS STILL ALIVE, so she immediately took me out of critical care and I moved into the normal part of the hospital.

Apparently the fact that I was on oxygen was the primary reason why I had to remain in the critical ward. GOOD TO KNOW FOR NEXT TIME.



Thanks. I feel better already.

Yesterday I was off seeing a couple of my doctors. One gave me an updated pneumococcal shot. From what I remember, Pneumococcal disease is one of the primary killers of people over 65. I had this shot several years ago, but the new shots that are out there cover many more variants of the disease. So anyways I now have the new and improved version shot and my arm hurts a little bit this morning.

Wow, that's a big change. Not even remembering people.

People are many more times complex than what current scientist believe.

I have begun to start reading the second book by Jill Bolte Taylor called Whole Brain Living.
She suffered a massive stroke while she was in her mid thirties and lost her primary brain, her left brain. So for awhile her right brain became her primary brain and she has been writing about her experiences.

She describes her stroke in the following way:

When I experienced the hemorrhage in the left hemisphere of my brain, most of those cells simply went off-line because of the inflammation, swelling, and pressure buildup within my skull. In response to the trauma, the left-brain cells that had dominated my right-brain cells via the corpus callosum released their inhibition over those cells in my right brain, just as with the split-brain patients. When this occurred, the characters of my left thinking and left emotional networks receded, while the comparable characters of my right brain's thinking and emotional modules became untethered, unfettered, newly dominant, and free to run wild.

Then she goes on to say:

By the time my left brain finally shut down completely, I had drifted into the peaceful consciousness of my right brain, where I lost all sense of urgency, Temporally, my right brain existed solely in the present moment, with no past regrets, present fears, or future expectations. From this, and the next eight years of recovery, it was apparent that the job of my right-brain circuitry was to process the experience of the right here, right now present moment.

Then she went on to write

Clearly we have two hemispheres for a reason, and without our left brain we are completely nonfunctional in the external world, in that we have no past or future, no linear thought, no language, and no sense of the boundaries of where we begin or end. Our left brain offers us our individuality, while our right brain connects us with the consciousness of not only the collective whole of humanity but the vast expansive consciousness of the universe.

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This is an interesting read, but there is one point missing. Our two hemispheres of the brain do not completely combine until the age of 10-12 in males. This is probably a good thing. Our bodies are in the transformation stage. So if a person is severely damaged in the transformation stage and they survive, they may become an interesting person. Their left and right hemispheres may switch places and restructure our brains allowing us to live. But in so doing, it may produce a rather interesting person in the process.

A person who exhibits much of the logic of the right brain. The right brain is a vast brain in the way we think. Each morning I wake up and start a new day. I am refreshed and ready for action.

You might even say that I have "the consciousness of not only the collective whole of humanity but the vast expansive consciousness of the universe." And this is probably the most important part - I AM NOT ALONE. I suspect that many Aspies do also.

Thinking over what Jill wrote:

Clearly we have two hemispheres for a reason, and without our left brain we are completely nonfunctional in the external world, in that we have no past or future, no linear thought, no language, and no sense of the boundaries of where we begin or end. Our left brain offers us our individuality, while our right brain connects us with the consciousness of not only the collective whole of humanity but the vast expansive consciousness of the universe.

It reminds me of a character in the recent movie called "Free Guy"
Great movie. He is a good example of a Right Brain character.

The human brain consist of two parts: Left Hemisphere, Right Hemisphere.

Brain of an activist--click me to see

In general, the left hemisphere is the dominant hemisphere. Jill Tayler further breaks these down into two parts, the thinking character and the emotional character. So if one compares emotional traits, the two brains produce the following characteristics.

LEFT EMOTIONAL CHARACTER-----------RIGHT EMOTIONAL CHARACTER
Constricted----------------------------------------- Expansive
Rigid--------------------------------------------------Open
Cautious---------------------------------------------Risk Taker
Fear Bases------------------------------------------Fearless
Stern--------------------------------------------------Friendly
Loves conditionally--------------------------------Loves unconditionally
Doubts------------------------------------------------Trusts
Bullies-------------------------------------------------Supports
Righteous--------------------------------------------Grateful
Manipulates-----------------------------------------Goes with the flow
Tried and True--------------------------------------Creative/innovative
Independent----------------------------------------Collective
Selfish-------------------------------------------------Sharing
Critical-------------------------------------------------Kind
Superior/inferior-------------------------------------Equality
Right/wrong good/bad-----------------------------Contextual

My specific traits are highlighted in BOLD. In general, deep within me lies the emotional traits of the RIGHT brain.