Do you think that Elitism is a problem in the WP community?

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Yes, but not any more than other online communities, IMO.

Yeah, I'm actually kinda glad I didn't have to deal with pointing out that I'm different, not disabled.

It was just kinda hard to deny I was different, the active but odd comment on one site made my girlfriend laugh heartily.


I truly feel for LFA as well, I'd probably start abusing someone physically for picking on one, sense of honor demands it, extends to women as well, but that's a different issue which will become apparent if I tell about my dad... >.>.


Hated I.Q. tests, DESPISED being told how smart I was, it's irritating, it's pressuring, and it isn't important. I'm not smarter than anyone else, we all have areas that we develop in, most people spread their focus through a range of them, averaging their full potential across a wider group.

I focused on a couple, I'm great at them, but at the cost of a lot of other things as well.


I.Q. tests depend on the testers bias as well, you can learn more by having a discussion with someone than learning about their I.Q. score, particularly if the test which produced the score was biased in certain areas. You give me an I.Q. test biased towards scientific knowledge, particularly physics, I'm going to have to rewrite the test for you, to correct things you didn't get right probably.

You give me one based on raw arithmetic calculation, I can brute force problems if I try, but it isn't as natural for me to crunch numbers as others, I spent that focus elsewhere.

Drove my teachers up a wall! Max! Where's your work for this algebra?

I don't have any.

You need to show your work.

Why, is the answer wrong?

No, x = 6 works.

Ok, so, why do I have to write it out?


Took me years to get that the point of algebra is the relationship of the equations, not the answer itself, and you learn that by working it out. I learned it from the relationship between reference frames in Riemannian Manifolds, particularly those used in General Relativity.

Then I realized it was the point of algebra too, so yeah... give me the wrong test, I'm gonna look dumb as hell, give me the right one and I'm gonna look ridiculously smart. You can't just brag about your strengths without acknowledging your weaknesses, everyone has them, denying your weaknesses is itself a weakness.

I'm with you Max.

I think I would probably kick the s**t out of a man who was picking on one of my LFA brothers and sisters.

Then when I'd finished with him, I'd tell him that I'm Autistic and there are plenty more of us at the gym...........

Was always oddly compassionate about animals, I identified more with my cats than my friends.

Could see though that the cat can't defend itself as well as I can defend it, neither can little kids.

Someone who was locked in one way or another, I don't care if they're 5 or 35, it's going to infuriate me to pick at them. They aren't generally able to mount a proper defense even to subtle teasing, and won't understand why you're doing it. Heck, I don't understand it.


Just like punishing a cat, if I catch a cat doing something, on the counter, peeing in the corner, clawing the couch. I'm swift and brutal with punishment, why? It's what a momma cat does, baby cat does something she doesn't like, she backhands the little guy hard enough to roll him across the floor, but not hard enough to damage him.

He realizes instantly "oh crap, almost died... shouldn't do that again".

Catch a cat on the counter eating your sandwich? Whomp em off the counter.

See that they ate your sandwich, go track em down and hit em for it? Now you're just being a jerk, the cat doesn't know why you're hitting them. As far as he can tell, he's being punished for sitting there and licking his foot, he'll make sure to avoid doing THAT, but did that help the situation?

Most children are like this at some point, and many autistic children remain like that in many ways, naturally you don't whomp a child off the counter, but punishing one 5 minutes later for drawing on the wall is just mean.


Randomly picking on an LFA in what you may "know" is a funny manner, or social ribbing, just comes off as being punished to them... punished for what they start thinking... standing here and holding my hand like this?

Ok, don't stand here and do that... got it... did that help? No? Crap! What now?

I kind of have an angry attitude towards neurotypicals because they don't understand me. I have an impatient attitude to people who don't understand things like I do or as fast as I do. I don't think of it as much as elitism, I just don't want to interact with them. I feel the same way as justMax about animals. My cat gets punished alot :,( because she urinates under our glass table. But I get yelled at when I say my sister should go to her room if she wants to sleep, which is because she will be annoyed by everything I do. I will tell her that if she goes to her room she won't even hear me, and I get yelled at for trying to get attention, which confuses me to no end.

We are far above such little thoughts.

yes, this place utterly reeks of it. they're not just elitists. they're elitist bullies.

Don't worry, look at the situation in SG and you'll know elitism is not the problem for Aspies, the power of money is.

welcome back btw havent seen u posting long time

Evidence, please? topic

Sorry, reaper, but Fnord has not posted since last spring. I have seen his posts at ZOMG.

I would definitely consider myself an Elitist. In those areas I have interest in I strive to learn or skill myself as much as I can. For the most part, those are all academic, so I consider myself smarter than most people intellectually, and stupider than most all emotionally. I'm well aware of this egotism regarding my intellect and I do what I can to not let it show of affect those around. And I make this egotism known to help with that.

Fortunately I don't have many other strengths to go on besides that. I'm not particularly strong or fast, charismatic or inspiring. I'm a s**t terrible leader and a rather piss-poor follower as well. I'm not a good one to ask for comfort, especially emotional comfort, nor do I remember things like birthdays and holidays for people.

Basically I have one advantage in this world and that's my brain. I use it as best I can, and, sad as it might sound, I tend to hold those that squander it in contempt. Not those in ignorance, no, those people can always be taught. It's those in willful ignorance that I scorn. I just can't bring myself to have patience for people that deliberately blind themselves to logic and reason and I see no reason to do so, or even pretend to.

no i do not think it is a problem.
i am immune to elitism.

To be honest, that doesn't sound like elitism. I would only consider it elitism if you held in contempt those who:

1)don't know the same things as you do simply because it isn't possible to know everything so everyone must make choices about what to learn and they have made different choices than you

2)are ignorant of something you hold vitally important (like the ins and outs of Aspergers) mainly because life circumstances have not brought it onto their radar but are perfectly willing to learn (perhaps they befriended you and know nothing about Aspergers because they never needed to before befriending you)

3)have a different cognitive style than yours or learning disabilities which means they simply will never be able to learn some things as quickly or as well as you because that's how nature made them

4)are not as smart as you again because that's how nature made them and not because they are refusing to use what they actually were given

But shaking your head in dismay when people do have a capacity but aren't using because of laziness I don't think is elitist.

I voted that none of the options reflect my opinion.

I think elitism is less of a problem here than in the NT world. There are people here who think in terms of hierarchies but at least they're not in charge.

Not so much laziness, though that is contemptuous as well, but rather willingness to be led around by the nose by answers from others without ever questioning them. Blind religious radicals, conservatives, liberals, basically anyone that rabidly follows an idea and any questioning of that idea is "No, you're wrong," "No, I'm right," or my personal favorite "Die!" without any argument whatsoever. It's completely and utterly irrational and stupid. And that's what I have contempt for, and what I consider elitist about myself.

I agree with your 4 points though. For example, I have nothing against car mechanics and their knowledge even though I find cars uninteresting and flawed. I do have an issue though when I explain the chemical properties of gasoline to them and if it's no longer fuming you can safely put out a cigarette in it and they scream no just because they think gas=boom and that's it.

I agree some may hit out, seek attention when hurting, having to often put up with crap dumped on them from the lack of understanding from the majority... some simply are more logical and may say things which may seem direct to some but not necessarily intended as read and feel many come at threads from differing points of view, leading to misunderstandings and some even feel attacked when others are simply venting, ranting wanting to be heard.... but there are many here to help, and many seeking help difference reasons, wanting different answers.... and spectrumites do tend to at times be more interested in there own thoughts world, partly I feel for some maybe a survive instinct . But we also are all at different stages and fazes in embracing who we are and different as individuals...