Are Autistic Men More Likely to be Misogynistic?
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Let's ask ourselves which is more likely: that 4,000 out of 4,000 women are douchbags, or that you are the one being the douchebag.
how can i be a douchbag when they don't even talk to me. no first message, nothing. they just post a list of requirements and say don't bother messaging them f you don't have those. also never said they douchbags, just mislead by a society that is super superficial . some of their reason are legit and I understand. me dating a far left anti gun, hipi would be just as bad for me as for them. we'd fight a lot.
Well maybe you should find some women somewhere where they don't have a big list of requirements to talk to you because while that might work on the internet, that's not how real life works.
i think they hold the same requirements in rl as online, they just don't walk around with them on a sign hanging on their chest. so they talk to the guy and ask questions to find out if he meets them, and when it turns out he doesn't then stop talking to him and move on to the next guy. if anything dating sites are better cause people are upfront about this so the guys/women don't wast their time. still hurts though but far less then if i dated them for a few times spent 200 dollars and have them stop when they find out i work as a cashier.
People don't work the way you are positing that they do. People don't just internalize a list, and then go on a seek and destroy mission, only talking to people who fit the list. They might think they do, but they don't. Unless they are a complete misandriac/misogynist, they'd at least realize there is more to people than boyfriends/girlfriends. As androbot said, most relationships are organic.
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This is the kind of faulty thinking that leads to misogyny. There are no standards that if met will result in a girlfriend. Relationships form organically out of life.
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Sly, stay off internet dating sites. Spend some time out in the real world. Personally, I think you're a sweetie, but the pot won't boil if you don't stop staring at it. Relationships are things that happen naturally as a result of living life.
idealy and in the past yes. but todays world no. people have super high standards, perhaps from all they everyone is #1 you're entitled to success. you can do anything. you're super amazing. nonsense they've been told growing up. meeting the requirements won't guarantee you a gf, but not meeting them will guarantee you won't get one. you have to meet thier requirements to be allowed to talk to them and that is where the organic bonding happens.
You are assuming that all women's "standards" are the same.
Individuals of the same species are almost genetically clones except tiny % of variation in DNA ("DNA fingerprint"), yes every individual is unique but not THAT unique, especially among same culture, each one of us is not an isolated temple genetically and culturally speaking.
Most studies on humans show curve bells, correlations ...etc- if each one of us was 100% unique and totally different from the next then such graphs would show mosaic clouds of spread dots. It's for the same reason why there's popular food and unpopular food for example
For example I bet 99.99% of women would prefer a non-serial killer over a serial killer man - and there are logical reasons why, one of them is because most of us humans have a natural fear from death.
This is the kind of faulty thinking that leads to misogyny. There are no standards that if met will result in a girlfriend. Relationships form organically out of life.
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Sly, stay off internet dating sites. Spend some time out in the real world. Personally, I think you're a sweetie, but the pot won't boil if you don't stop staring at it. Relationships are things that happen naturally as a result of living life.
idealy and in the past yes. but todays world no. people have super high standards, perhaps from all they everyone is #1 you're entitled to success. you can do anything. you're super amazing. nonsense they've been told growing up. meeting the requirements won't guarantee you a gf, but not meeting them will guarantee you won't get one. you have to meet thier requirements to be allowed to talk to them and that is where the organic bonding happens.
You are assuming that all women's "standards" are the same.
Individuals of the same species are almost genetically clones except tiny % of variation in DNA ("DNA fingerprint"), yes every individual is unique but not THAT unique, especially among same culture, each one of us is not an isolated temple genetically and culturally speaking.
Most studies on humans show curve bells, correlations ...etc- if each one of us was 100% unique and totally different from the next then such graphs would show mosaic clouds of spread dots. It's for the same reason why there's popular food and unpopular food for example
For example I bet 99.99% of women would prefer a non-serial killer over a serial killer man - and there are logical reasons why, one of them is because most of us humans have a natural fear from death.
I think that it's safe to say that most people here who don't have relationships and want them, don't have them mostly because they lack the social skills to start them. Therefore, the best advice given could be to give advice around that. Yes, looks are important in the sense that people are likely to go for others who are attractive but it's not nearly as important as the social skills. While there are some people who only want to date supermodels there are others who are more flexible. Personally, I find shared interests more important than looks, although looks can still be important to some extent but I'm actually surprised by how flexible I am with regard to looks.
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This is the kind of faulty thinking that leads to misogyny. There are no standards that if met will result in a girlfriend. Relationships form organically out of life.
........
Sly, stay off internet dating sites. Spend some time out in the real world. Personally, I think you're a sweetie, but the pot won't boil if you don't stop staring at it. Relationships are things that happen naturally as a result of living life.
idealy and in the past yes. but todays world no. people have super high standards, perhaps from all they everyone is #1 you're entitled to success. you can do anything. you're super amazing. nonsense they've been told growing up. meeting the requirements won't guarantee you a gf, but not meeting them will guarantee you won't get one. you have to meet thier requirements to be allowed to talk to them and that is where the organic bonding happens.
You are assuming that all women's "standards" are the same.
Individuals of the same species are almost genetically clones except tiny % of variation in DNA ("DNA fingerprint"), yes every individual is unique but not THAT unique, especially among same culture, each one of us is not an isolated temple genetically and culturally speaking.
Most studies on humans show curve bells, correlations ...etc- if each one of us was 100% unique and totally different from the next then such graphs would show mosaic clouds of spread dots. It's for the same reason why there's popular food and unpopular food for example
For example I bet 99.99% of women would prefer a non-serial killer over a serial killer man - and there are logical reasons why, one of them is because most of us humans have a natural fear from death.
I think that it's safe to say that most people here who don't have relationships and want them, don't have them mostly because they lack the social skills to start them. Therefore, the best advice given could be to give advice around that. Yes, looks are important in the sense that people are likely to go for others who are attractive but it's not nearly as important as the social skills. While there are some people who only want to date supermodels there are others who are more flexible. Personally, I find shared interests more important than looks, although looks can still be important to some extent but I'm actually surprised by how flexible I am with regard to looks.
And the lack of social skill/social awkwardness is largely undesirable and unpopular, so see? Humans aren't that unique.
My gut says, "male and disagree". But given that the voters seem to be predominantly male, and we're a group of people with a lot of self acknowledged deficiencies in seeing things from others' perspectives, this seems like the type of question where cognitive biases could definitely come into play.
Someone said earlier that "emotional maturity" probably plays a bigger role, and that rings pretty true to me. I know I was certainly more misogynistic in my youth than I am now. So I suppose that begs the follow up question, do autistic men tend to have lower emotional maturity than their peers?
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I know I do. And the autistic males I've met have also been emotionally immature.
Another source of misogyny, if you could call it that, rather than simply exaggerated cautiousness, is the media. If you look at most post-1980's TV shows and movies, wives/girlfriends in them are simply horrible! They scream at their partners, use sex as a weapon, damage their partner's property, and so on. Aspies/autistics tend to take that behavior to heart, and react accordingly. Hence, the misogyny.
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One of the reasons: I've never had kids. If I had kids, I would probably have matured faster, since raising kids FORCE you to mature.
I don't think this is really true. There are lots of immature parents and parents who are, in various ways, irresponsible.
Reproduction doesn't take that much skill, will or effort.
I suspect I am emotionally immature, too. I try to be a good dad, though.
I am not a misogynist, misandrist or misanthrope.
Someone said earlier that "emotional maturity" probably plays a bigger role, and that rings pretty true to me. I know I was certainly more misogynistic in my youth than I am now. So I suppose that begs the follow up question, do autistic men tend to have lower emotional maturity than their peers?
I don't think emotional immaturity or lack of social skills is the cause of misogyny in Aspies so much as a cognitive empathy gap.
The best example I can think of is the numerous threads I've seen here discussing the issue of consent and rape. Many guys will show high affective empathy for the accused (perhaps being teased or called creepy before in their past) and assume most women are lying. This is where the cognitive empathy gap comes in. It's easier to relate to other sad lonely guys on the internet (like the blatantly predatory pick-up artist community, for instance) then to try to relate to the experiences of someone not like you. Next thing you know, they have internalized the misogyny and as a result, become all but undateable (the clinical term is douchebag.) This "game" nonsense creates far more forever-alones than it does players.
Social skills aren't everything. My luck at dating turned around when I stopped trying so hard and was open about my weirdness. There are girls that like awkward guys, believe it or not, and they aren't worried about how much of an alpha you are or whether you said the exact right thing at the right moment. The thing is, you aren't going to get anywhere at all with a girl if you start the date resenting her.
Someone said earlier that "emotional maturity" probably plays a bigger role, and that rings pretty true to me. I know I was certainly more misogynistic in my youth than I am now. So I suppose that begs the follow up question, do autistic men tend to have lower emotional maturity than their peers?
I don't think emotional immaturity or lack of social skills is the cause of misogyny in Aspies so much as a cognitive empathy gap.
The best example I can think of is the numerous threads I've seen here discussing the issue of consent and rape. Many guys will show high affective empathy for the accused (perhaps being teased or called creepy before in their past) and assume most women are lying. This is where the cognitive empathy gap comes in. It's easier to relate to other sad lonely guys on the internet (like the blatantly predatory pick-up artist community, for instance) then to try to relate to the experiences of someone not like you. Next thing you know, they have internalized the misogyny and as a result, become all but undateable (the clinical term is douchebag.) This "game" nonsense creates far more forever-alones than it does players.
Social skills aren't everything. My luck at dating turned around when I stopped trying so hard and was open about my weirdness. There are girls that like awkward guys, believe it or not, and they aren't worried about how much of an alpha you are or whether you said the exact right thing at the right moment. The thing is, you aren't going to get anywhere at all with a girl if you start the date resenting her.
Why would you want to date someone who you resent anyway?
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