I believe that Autism Is 100% Genetic!

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27 Aug 2008, 4:14 pm

Wow! We have monkeys too. 8O

You said it!



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27 Aug 2008, 4:30 pm

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You might want to do your homework because egotistical and autism don't particularly go hand in hand.

Actually being self involved (ie revolving around the axis of one's own ego) seems consistent with clinical descriptions of autism.
I find it interesting that you state personality disorders cannot occur in autistic persons. What aspect of autism causes this immunity and how can we know that this is so given the lack of information about autism and the etiology of personality disorders?



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27 Aug 2008, 4:41 pm

Self-involved and ego are two seperate things.



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27 Aug 2008, 4:45 pm

As far as your question, I'm not qualified to answer it, but it is a good one. I'm sure there is literature somewhere that explains the characteristics of autism, the lack of identity, ego strength, etc. that stands in complete opposition to traits like personality disorders.



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27 Aug 2008, 6:59 pm

aspiartist wrote:
Self-involved and ego are two seperate things.

We must be consulting different dictionaries.

The ego is the sense of self, so how being centred on one's sense of self could not be egocentric and egotistic escapes me.


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As far as your question, I'm not qualified to answer it, but it is a good one. I'm sure there is literature somewhere that explains the characteristics of autism, the lack of identity, ego strength, etc. that stands in complete opposition to traits like personality disorders.

I am not at all sure that is the case. I have never encountered any reliable findings of a lack of identity necessarily characterizing autism for instance. Further some personality disorders include traits that overlap the observable traits of persons with autism.

Also the traits associated with individual personality disorders vary substantively to those of other personality disorders. Between the range of personality disorders, the range of human personality attributes are largely (if not entirely) encompassed so it seems highly implausible that any group has characteristics that stand in complete opposition to the traits of all personality disorders. Perhaps persons in a persistent vegetative state might be an exception.



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27 Aug 2008, 7:13 pm

pandd, if you had personal experience with autism, you wouldn't be so confused.



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27 Aug 2008, 7:15 pm

And yes, the literature is there.



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27 Aug 2008, 7:25 pm

I fail to see how an autistic person could lack experience of autism. I doubt that I am confused, what precisely do you suspect I might be confused about?

If the literature is there, then it should be very easy for you to direct my attention to it. Whatever the literature states about the traits predicted of, or observed as being associated with autism, this still does not explain how any group's traits could be directly contrary to all traits predicted of, or observed as being associated with all personality disorders given the encompassing of human personality traits within the range of personality disorders.



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27 Aug 2008, 7:45 pm

Yes, I just looked it up on amazon. I believe it can be found in Autism and Asperger Syndrome, edited by Uta Frith. I loaned the book out or I would try to find a direct passage. Although given the source, I doubt I would put much effort forth in this regard.

It seems like you just want to jump on someone who might pose a threat to you, which might be an indication that you're actually a fraud. I guess I'm a likely candidate because I seem to know a little bit about what I'm talking about. The experience of autism would tell you everything you want or need to know about it. This is the only book I have ever read on autism and AS. The others seem to be mostly fluff so I haven't been able to really read them.

Good-luck in your research.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:34 pm

aspiartist wrote:
Yes, I just looked it up on amazon. I believe it can be found in Autism and Asperger Syndrome, edited by Uta Frith. I loaned the book out or I would try to find a direct passage. Although given the source, I doubt I would put much effort forth in this regard.

A search of the book you refer to for the phrase "lack of identity" does not produce a match.
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It seems like you just want to jump on someone who might pose a threat to you, which might be an indication that you're actually a fraud.

I cannot know why it would appear to you that I want to jump on anyone who might pose a threat to me, nor why you would imagine you might pose a threat to me, nor why you would conclude even if the above were true that any fraud or fraudulent intent would be indicated.

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I guess I'm a likely candidate because I seem to know a little bit about what I'm talking about.

You do not appear to me to be particularly erudite on the issues being discussed.

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The experience of autism would tell you everything you want or need to know about it.

That would probably depend on a large extent to what one wants or needs to know. In my case what I want to know is not knowledge magically gifted to persons by virtue of living an autistic experience.

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This is the only book I have ever read on autism and AS. The others seem to be mostly fluff so I haven't been able to really read them.

Good-luck in your research.

Thank you for your well-wishes.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:44 pm

I hope this eases things for you.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:50 pm

You'll have to buy the book though. Those searches don't allow free access to the entire book by any means.



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28 Aug 2008, 5:23 am

I woulodnt say Asperger's is 100% genetic but it is at least highly genetic a lot of my friends and aquaintences with AS also have family members normally fathers and grandfathers with AS either dx or un dx. My dad and grandad almost certainlly have AS.



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28 Aug 2008, 9:37 am

aspiartist wrote:
As far as your question, I'm not qualified to answer it, but it is a good one. I'm sure there is literature somewhere that explains the characteristics of autism, the lack of identity, ego strength, etc. that stands in complete opposition to traits like personality disorders.


Autism though, is neurological and currently usually can only be identified by strengths, weaknesses and abilities, while a PDD usually manifests in personality traits. Autism is not defined by characters traits.

A lack of identity as perceived as little confidence, bravery and all is not autism and has nothing to do with the autistic perception of the world itself. Yet, what can be possible due to an ASD is a different understanding of identity and ego as those in non-autistic people.


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28 Aug 2008, 10:38 am

Lack of identity or ego strength as it was termed had nothing at all to do with little confidence, bravery, etc.

A person can have a lack of identity or ego strength and still be incredibly successful in certain areas or fields.



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28 Aug 2008, 10:43 am

As an artist, this is somewhat of a drawback for me, in some ways, but in many occupations where the work isn't so much public related where a lot of identity or ego strength is required, success can be equally obtained.