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Why anyone would want to benefit a system that tortures them everyday? Honestly...
Wait...what? Sure there are people who have been abused in care facilities, but the law can take care of that.
Could do, but in most cases it doesn't
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Also, most parents would not allow that crap.
Assuming their parents (a) find out about it and (b) then can get the kid to testify in a courtroom.
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Many do genuinely love their children. You cannot barge into every place helping autistics and see if there is any abuse going on. Yet you do have the right to assume so, which means nothing. If autistic people are being tortured, you can say the same for the severely ret*d also, but you don't give a damn about them...
There are other groups that helpfully deal with them. In strategy there goes a saying that "you secure your base before moving forward". Logically it makes sense to start with a group we actually know something about, i.e. ourselves.
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As for severe sensory issues, many they would not have in the natural world and would be able to more easily avoid.
LOL! Even NTs complain about the sun being too bright, imagine the severe autistic. Are you seriously going to try to get rid of man-made things to accommodate such a small minority. If you want to send them to the woods, be my guest! Just make sure you don't end up like Christopher McCandless while you're at it.
No, no, more technology more quickly. And of course a reduction in social rules to go with it.
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you could quite easily argue along the lines that it is a cultural genocide of sorts.
Yeah, right. Tell me this when you have a community outside the Internet, your very own music, slang (short hand Internet terms don't count), dress a certain way and cultural establishments beyond, "No cure, please." We don't even socialize the same way as autism is a varied spectrum.
Again, I don't have to. We have behaviours and styles of thinking - more than enough to illustrate cultural genocide. As for the phoney culture AFF and co are trying to create, I am equally bemused as you must be.
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No, no - clearly you do not understand what a meritocracy is. A meritocratic system removes nepotism from the equation, stops people cheating by buying private tuition and so forth.
I know that. However, I live in reality. Your AS has hindered you from making connections and networks that benefit as well as any nepotism. Oh, and those rich parents who bribe their kids to get into colleges by massive donations actually benefit those who need scholarship money because some of the donation money goes to scholarships. The rich getting everything they want is not fair, but that's life. When you mature, you'll understand that life is not fair.
Not over here it doesn't work like that, I am British and over here we do actually try and ensure everyone can afford university. The downside is whether or not people can afford to get the grades in the first place, sorry buy them. Really your country needs to tax the rich properly in the first place, rather than give them tax cuts.
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Also, nepotism is not always as obvious as you say it is. People have sneaky and creative ways doing this. My sister has a friend that works at CVS where his father works high up in the corporation. His father happened to hire him and all his friends under the condition that his friends pretend they don't know his father. In a movie theater I went to, everyone I saw working there went to my school. I was told that they usually hire groups of friends at a time. That's not nepotism, but just as unfair. There is no way you can get around nepotism because it is an unwritten fact of life and no written rules than squash.
There is a very simple system which deals with all kinds of cheating - you have a bureau of jobs through which every transaction goes through.
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Basically the brightest get the plum opportunities, which will be so to our benefit that we can clear up the rest later on. In other words, its a system that is designed to develop all to their intellectual potential.
Where have you been? People have attempted this for years and it is already happening, it just hasn't reached everyone yet.
Nah - what is happening is the equivalent to the white people fleeing to the subarbs. We set up a few examples of success, then sweep the issue entirely under the carpet.
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Fringe group in the context of wider society, perhaps at present. But not within Aspies in general, those actually in favour of a cure are quite the minority I gather.
How would you know that? Have you taken a poll? If you're going to do this, make sure it is in an unbiased place. Have most aspies even heard of the anti-cure movement? It doesn't matter anyway, as just because you're in the majority doesn't mean you're right as you said
Oh - whoever speaks the loudest gets heard. Great system... No, you believe in that argument - I was showing the flaws within your system.
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Mental Problem!? We should not even be comparing here.
Yes we should. If something in your mind is inhibiting you from living a regular life, it is a mental problem. In our case, it is socializing.
In the same way the Jews had a social problem around WWII - nice plan...
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I never said in such a scenario I would be complying with the law - the methods to be effective here would involve some lawbreaking somewhere.
Hooray for idealism! You'll even get abused by prisoners in sick ways while serving time and I don't mean political prisoners...
Thankfully I don't intend to get caught flouting any laws - really I am not a fool.
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By the way this is not arrogance, it is pragmatism.
We show our stupidity differently.
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Look closely at politics, there are plenty of Aspies in there.
Probably mostly by the skills that NTs use best. Where are they? Please do not speculate, I want confirmed answers.
Ask the Danes. But you could look at Boris Johnson in the UK - pretty much a blatant case. Our PM is a likely candidate too.
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There are ways around all such things, most obviously by not announcing from the treetops that we are Aspies.
They might not found out the actual diagnosis, but they will figure out that we're socially weak. How do you think we got bullied at school? Kids don't know diagnostic labels, but they do know you're weird and how to get over on you. I'm sure this is even easier for adults.
You see, I managed to avoid most of the bullying by being a sly s**t. Plus I do a pretty good NT impression when I need to, not that I enjoy doing it of course.
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I am merely predicting social change, hopefully a non-violent revolution. Legally this is merely an academic discussion - they could never take me to court for this.
Your views are extreme. If you get in trouble for something related to this by a demonstration gone haywire, they can use this to prove you right. Actually writing it down, yet nothing much happening won't really do anything to you.
They would need proper proof to do anything. Assuming they ever read this and find out who I am.
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LMAO - I can imagine how well any of your suggestions would go down at my uni, or most places in fact.
Uh, I have asked before and people listened with no problem. Stop being shy, awkward, and anxious then people will listen. It's not a big deal. Even if it doesn't go your way, people are a**holes, deal with it.
Also, this is the reason why we are disordered in the first place, influences beyond our control impair us, normal influences that does not bother the average person. If you do not want to be cured, learn to deal with your disability like everyone else.
I will do. Not sure everyone else will like it though...
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Asides, we should not have to ask.
ROFLcopters! Weren't you speaking against the rich doing the same before? You are worse than they are as you are not giving anyone anything in return. You feel so entitled don't you? So entitled that you can only open your mouth for what YOU want to say, everything else is just tiresome for you and your superior species. Those NTs should bow down to you for your neurological ancestors' achievements although you yourself have probably not accomplished anything significant. Don't worry! You will someday as you are magical special by default. Not.
No, its a basic principle of equality - we should not have to ask for basic accommodations. Imagine the outcry if someone with a wheelchair had to ask to use the lift, or for someone to get the ramp out. You can guarantee they would be complaining to the heavens, and then some.
08 Jan 2009, 6:48 pm
