why are self-diagnosed aspies considered "posers?"

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08 Jul 2012, 2:05 pm

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in my opinion to demand a diagnosis before accepting someone as Aspie is foolish beyond belief. Think about it for a bit - We may be the only group in the world to demand the often unsupported opinion of someone outside our group that you are one of us before you can be one of us.


But on the other hand, there are people who claim they have Aspergers and whatever else when they don't. Where do you draw the line on that? And yes, I know someone like that. She claims she's intolerant to sugar and wheat and has all kinds of medical conditions; but hasn't been diagnosed and has never got any help at all. Yet, claims she has these illnesses.


Our present situation does not stop this woman from making these claims! There will always be pretenders - and the confused let alone the outright dishonest (think "professionals" that willfully misdiagnose psychopaths as Asperger's because the psychopath diagnosis is so damning). We will always have these people around us -- Remember NTs love to lie! Groups like sociopaths and psychopaths can's seem to stop themselves from lying. Our best chance to dilute their influence on our kind is to invite in the millions of our own to join us and move to pushing for fair treatment.

All this discussion of weather or not this is a illness, disability, some horrible flaw, great gift, or just the way we are wired does not change the fact we are who we are and that in some very real ways we are horribly discriminated against by the rest of (NT) society. Can you imagine what would happen if American society told blacks that the only solution was to paint them selves white so they could pass as white. Then harassed and taunted them because they could still be told apart. Yet, we Asperger's are treated in just such a manner. It is time that we started working to change this.


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08 Jul 2012, 2:06 pm

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Technical writing was strangely suited to my social deficits, even though I'm not that technically able either. But I was able to work in relative isolation and those I needed to deal with were engineers and geeky types, so social demands weren't too great.


I was also a technical writer/editor at an engineering firm. I think AS worked to my advantage because I was able to use the skill of focus and attention to detail that many of us Aspies possess. I also managed the department, but I did okay because there were only three people and we were pretty much left alone.


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08 Jul 2012, 2:19 pm

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08 Jul 2012, 3:02 pm

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I have come to believe that the high rate of hypochondria


Severe hypochrondriacts often cure or lessen there problems with an SSRI. The implication is that this obsession is a specific form of OCD, a bit like bulimia. So hypochonrdria is perhaps a medical condition after all.

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08 Jul 2012, 3:44 pm

As a non-Aspergers, or never diagnosed, I do show signs of symptoms in myself, especially when I'm socialising, with anybody, but anyways, I would never self-diagnose ANY mental disability/learning difficulty etc. I'm trying to learn more about it, but I still don't know much about it.

I am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, and when people self-diagnose BPD or other personality disorders, or any other mental illness, yes, it p*sses me off, because most of these people are youngsters just trying to get attention and a legit reason for why they're just different or why their life is a bit rubbish.

This may be what the people with autism/aspergers think, that the self-diagnosed just want to pretend like there's something wrong with them for the attention it brings.

That's just my 2 cents. Don't take it as gospel, it's just my opinion and I am entitled to it :)



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08 Jul 2012, 4:30 pm

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This may be what the people with autism/aspergers think, that the self-diagnosed just want to pretend like there's something wrong with them for the attention it brings.

For me, it is just the opposite. I thought (and have been told by others) there was something wrong with me for not socialising, and I did try to be a little more social, but never really succeeded in doing so. Then, after reading about aspergers, I found that it seemed to be officially normal for a similar category of people not to socialise, so I have given up on trying, and mostly shut myself inside the house instead, which is more comfortable and less stressing.

I would think that a self-diagnosis is the opposite of attention-seeking. No one else would know about it, except anonymous people on the internet. It is more a matter of finding out a little about oneself.



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08 Jul 2012, 4:38 pm

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I am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, and when people self-diagnose BPD or other personality disorders, or any other mental illness, yes, it p*sses me off, because most of these people are youngsters just trying to get attention and a legit reason for why they're just different or why their life is a bit rubbish.


How can you conclude that they're just trying to get attention, and why shouldn't they have a legit reason for their life being rubbish? It seems like the idea of self-diagnosis has a lot of baggage for you that may have nothing to do with the people you're upset at.

I don't care if people self-diagnose with autism. All I care about is that they're clear that it's a self-diagnosis.



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08 Jul 2012, 5:08 pm

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I am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, and when people self-diagnose BPD or other personality disorders, or any other mental illness, yes, it p*sses me off, because most of these people are youngsters just trying to get attention and a legit reason for why they're just different or why their life is a bit rubbish.


Do you have any proof of this? Not everyone with a mental illness does it for attention. In fact, most of us try to hide it.



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08 Jul 2012, 5:28 pm

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I am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, and when people self-diagnose BPD or other personality disorders, or any other mental illness, yes, it p*sses me off, because most of these people are youngsters just trying to get attention and a legit reason for why they're just different or why their life is a bit rubbish.


Do you have any proof of this? Not everyone with a mental illness does it for attention. In fact, most of us try to hide it.


Yeah, I don't understand the "trying to get attention" argument. I've always been considered weird anyway; the last thing I need is a label, although I have it (and tell only the people who need to know).


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08 Jul 2012, 6:13 pm

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I have come to believe that the high rate of hypochondria


Severe hypochrondriacts often cure or lessen there problems with an SSRI. The implication is that this obsession is a specific form of OCD, a bit like bulimia. So hypochonrdria is perhaps a medical condition after all.

Jason.


But you missed my point regardless whether it is mental or medical, it is waaaay overdiagnosed by doctors who dont want to do the research and investigate a person's symptoms because insurance does not pay them for that type of work. They are paid per office visit, not for any research the doctor may do to further understand what is going on with the patient. Regardless if it is a mental condition, I have seen medical doctors give a diagnosis of psycho-somatic or hypochondria within the first office visit while saying it is too complicated for them.

A true hypochondriac will respond with SSRI, but the people I met with the diagnosis, were people who had rare blood disorder that causes severe allergic reactions. I met them through my mother's mastocytosis support group and almost all the women on the site were diagnosed at one time with hypochondria or psycho-somaticism when they had a potentially fatal disease.
You know people who have life threatening allergic reactions to peanuts?
Well people with masto have those type of reactions to a variety of different triggers present in everyday life.
However only 2 of the males on the site were treated with such dismissal.
Almost all of the people on the site first diagnosed with the mental disorder, were later diagnosed with masto by lab tests after 6-10 years of little or no treatment and alot of needless suffering.

but regardless of the niche picking about my claim, the only real expert of you is you. cause you know yourself better than anyone, may not know Why you do what you do, but you do know yourself in ways that no one else can, not even a doctor or a psychiatrist. They only know what they see and hear from you at that moment in time which is why I think we should give self diagnosed aspies more credit than they get.

Now that is said...I got a book to read.

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08 Jul 2012, 6:19 pm

OK, clearly none of you have never come across any emo's who pretend they have anything and everything wrong with them for attention, negative or positive, so let's just leave it at that.



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08 Jul 2012, 6:22 pm

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
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I am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, and when people self-diagnose BPD or other personality disorders, or any other mental illness, yes, it p*sses me off, because most of these people are youngsters just trying to get attention and a legit reason for why they're just different or why their life is a bit rubbish.


Do you have any proof of this? Not everyone with a mental illness does it for attention. In fact, most of us try to hide it.


Actually, I have a lot of proof. Take a look on the forums of Psychcentral and Psychforums, they would be a great start to find more than enough evidence.



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08 Jul 2012, 7:40 pm

I don't think Aspergers has a one size fits all list of symptoms. Some people suffer from a larger scale of Autism symptoms. For instance, having Aspergers doesn't always mean a high IQ or you have trouble talking to people,

There are obvious traits of the disorder however, and I believe that if someone identifies with the symptoms, they should look into getting a diagnosis (only if you feel it is necessary). That being said, getting an official diagnosis isn't always easy. The best bet would be to seek out a specialist.

I honestly don't care if someone is self diagnosed, it makes no difference to me. Of course, that might be my Aspegers talking there! I think having advice from NT's can be helpful, they can sometimes let you know if you said or did something abnormal.


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08 Jul 2012, 9:28 pm

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Actually, I have a lot of proof. Take a look on the forums of Psychcentral and Psychforums, they would be a great start to find more than enough evidence.


I spent a lot of time reading both those forums after I was misdiagnosed with BPD. I don't recall any examples of "attention seeking" that I could identify. Given that BPD can be a therapeutic death sentence, I kind of wonder why anyone would claim such a thing simply for attention.



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08 Jul 2012, 9:33 pm

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OK, clearly none of you have never come across any emo's who pretend they have anything and everything wrong with them for attention, negative or positive, so let's just leave it at that.


^^^Haha. I have come across my fair share of them. They will swear on their grave that they are/have this, that or the other...then you see them again in five years and they are *normal* just like everyone else.



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08 Jul 2012, 10:20 pm

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I really, really, dislike the term "culturally autistic". Maybe there's places where it fits, but not here. We aren't talking about learned differences, which is what "culturally autistic" implies. We are talking innate differences. Any cultural differences come out of differences that aren't cultural, that are more basic, innate, than culture. Culture one learns from the world around you.

Broader autistic phenotype is better, but still, I dislike the assumption that the difference is genetic. Though it's better than the assumption that it's cultural. It's also long, and the abbreviated form BAP is ambiguous.

I'm talking about a term and definition for it, for having autistic traits without regard for whether or not psychiatric professionals thinking it's a disorder, without assumptions about origin. And not just a term for those without diagnosis. Also, a term/definition that can be used as well by those with a diagnosis but who don't define there differences as simply a disorder.


The idea of culturally autistic isn't that it comes from cultural differences, but that its people who fit with the autistic culture because they have those traits.


I still dislike the term for the reasons I said. I also don't think there's a such thing as autistic culture. But if there is, the term culturally autistic would refer to being part of that culture, NOT to have any particular innate traits. Fitting in my come from innate traits, but the term still doesn't refer to the innate traits. Culturally means culturally.


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