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10 May 2018, 2:51 am
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
I basically do follow goldfish protocols (not all of them) and have since 2009, yet I'm still autistic and my health is hilarious, although I do feel good most of the time.
So what am I doing wrong?
So what am I doing wrong?
Depends on what you’re doing differently or not doing that I am. Care to share?
What, share my failures?
That would max this thread out.
Like I said, this is over almost 10 years, and it had nothing to do with treating autism.
But you would think autism symptoms would have improved instead of having the biggest autistic burnout of my life in the middle of it.
No. You said that you "basically do follow goldfish protocols (not all of them)"... and asked "what am I doing wrong?"
My response is to that. What you're doing wrong may depend on what you're doing differently, or not doing at al, that I am. I asked if you'd care to share what you Do do that's a "goldfish protocol," & what you do not; what you do similarly to me, and what you do differently or not at all the same as what I do. I'm curious as there are some things I do that I attribute the lions share of my medicinal success to, and others that provide less of an impact. And another that, IMO, helps improve sensory sensitivities as well as meltdown resistance. So, I'm curious which "goldfish," things you do and which ones you don't & if they're the ones I would attribute to cause/effect of those symptoms (or relief of/lack of relief of) in myself.
I think the only thing I didn't do were the enemas.
And those have been the single most effective thing I've done in the entire protocol I've followed - especially in the beginning, and still now for maintenance. As I reported ~5 years ago, it was after doing this whole process 1-2 dozen times that I passed something like 15-18 "egg-like," masses from my body. I don't know what these "jellyfish," or "egg-like," masses were - but whatever they were, I suspect interfered with my enteric nervous system firing properly. Now as long as I eat a healthy restricted diet to prevent adding fuel to the fire of whatever undesirable stuff grows in my intestinal tract, I only do them every 3-4 weeks-ish, but I really ought to just spend the ~1-2 hours and do it every couple weeks like clockwork to keep myself in even better balance. But I don't because I get lazy and I tend to do it when I notice symptoms are creeping up, or if I have a major social function to attend a couple days later, or if I've sabotaged my diet the day or two before by eating cake at a birthday party or something. Regardless of the frequency or event triggers to decide when to do it, overall, this is the single most effective thing I do for myself and is, in my experience, responsible for the lion's share of my positive results. It's gross science, but it works.
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10 May 2018, 2:53 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Telling me I don't know my own diagnosis is akin to telling someone who's face is on fire that they aren't a burn victim until someone with some letters after their name tells them so. It is that obvious. I am still autistic, merely much higher functioning & what I do "turns on the social circuitry," and allows me to navigate the social world much more naturally & fluidly vs. forced, anxiously, and relying on coping mechanisms like intellectual processing.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
It takes a highly trained specialist to properly diagnose autism and differentiate it from other conditions. And then when that's done it's often essential to get a second opinion from another expert.
My parents have read Attwood and Cohen and Grandin and everyone else. My mom even obtained a masters in behavioral psychology specializing in autism. And I have been immersed in all of that my entire life and I'm plenty familiar with Atwood and all the others plus more. Whereas you read one book. So yeah I question your ability to properly diagnose yourself for a number of reasons.
Normally amateur self diagnosis isn't much of an issue with me. But in your case it's a major issue. Btw, did you know if someone follows your specific medicinal formula that you are instructing them on and it has adverse effects they can sue you?
I read more than one book, but this was the single most valuable. Have you read it or have you not read it?
What could they sue me for? For telling them what I did to myself? I'm not prescribing anything to anyone nor making them do anything. I've shared what works for me, and they're welcome to try it for themselves.
Ok, so I'll take the blank response to be a "No, I have not read this book & so I cannot comment on it nor how Tony Attwood describes the internal thought processes of AS people so well that anyone reading it who's on the spectrum knows just how accurate he is."
I highly recommend that you do read it, then you'll understand better how I can know my own diagnosis, as well as how others who read this book & learn about AS on their own can be equally as certain about themselves.
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10 May 2018, 3:10 am
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
I basically do follow goldfish protocols (not all of them) and have since 2009, yet I'm still autistic and my health is hilarious, although I do feel good most of the time.
So what am I doing wrong?
So what am I doing wrong?
Depends on what you’re doing differently or not doing that I am. Care to share?
What, share my failures?
That would max this thread out.
Like I said, this is over almost 10 years, and it had nothing to do with treating autism.
But you would think autism symptoms would have improved instead of having the biggest autistic burnout of my life in the middle of it.
No. You said that you "basically do follow goldfish protocols (not all of them)"... and asked "what am I doing wrong?"
My response is to that. What you're doing wrong may depend on what you're doing differently, or not doing at al, that I am. I asked if you'd care to share what you Do do that's a "goldfish protocol," & what you do not; what you do similarly to me, and what you do differently or not at all the same as what I do. I'm curious as there are some things I do that I attribute the lions share of my medicinal success to, and others that provide less of an impact. And another that, IMO, helps improve sensory sensitivities as well as meltdown resistance. So, I'm curious which "goldfish," things you do and which ones you don't & if they're the ones I would attribute to cause/effect of those symptoms (or relief of/lack of relief of) in myself.
I think the only thing I didn't do were the enemas.
And those have been the single most effective thing I've done in the entire protocol I've followed - especially in the beginning, and still now for maintenance. As I reported ~5 years ago, it was after doing this whole process 1-2 dozen times that I passed something like 15-18 "egg-like," masses from my body. I don't know what these "jellyfish," or "egg-like," masses were - but whatever they were, I suspect interfered with my enteric nervous system firing properly. Now as long as I eat a healthy restricted diet to prevent adding fuel to the fire of whatever undesirable stuff grows in my intestinal tract, I only do them every 3-4 weeks-ish, but I really ought to just spend the ~1-2 hours and do it every couple weeks like clockwork to keep myself in even better balance. But I don't because I get lazy and I tend to do it when I notice symptoms are creeping up, or if I have a major social function to attend a couple days later, or if I've sabotaged my diet the day or two before by eating cake at a birthday party or something. Regardless of the frequency or event triggers to decide when to do it, overall, this is the single most effective thing I do for myself and is, in my experience, responsible for the lion's share of my positive results. It's gross science, but it works.
It was probably the lining of your gut being stripped.
BTW, my protocol was very effective medicinally, just not for autism.
10 May 2018, 3:47 am
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Telling me I don't know my own diagnosis is akin to telling someone who's face is on fire that they aren't a burn victim until someone with some letters after their name tells them so. It is that obvious. I am still autistic, merely much higher functioning & what I do "turns on the social circuitry," and allows me to navigate the social world much more naturally & fluidly vs. forced, anxiously, and relying on coping mechanisms like intellectual processing.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
It takes a highly trained specialist to properly diagnose autism and differentiate it from other conditions. And then when that's done it's often essential to get a second opinion from another expert.
My parents have read Attwood and Cohen and Grandin and everyone else. My mom even obtained a masters in behavioral psychology specializing in autism. And I have been immersed in all of that my entire life and I'm plenty familiar with Atwood and all the others plus more. Whereas you read one book. So yeah I question your ability to properly diagnose yourself for a number of reasons.
Normally amateur self diagnosis isn't much of an issue with me. But in your case it's a major issue. Btw, did you know if someone follows your specific medicinal formula that you are instructing them on and it has adverse effects they can sue you?
I read more than one book, but this was the single most valuable. Have you read it or have you not read it?
What could they sue me for? For telling them what I did to myself? I'm not prescribing anything to anyone nor making them do anything. I've shared what works for me, and they're welcome to try it for themselves.
Yes I've read Attwood and fwiw I've met him in person at a seminar.
You should probably talk to your lawyer about any possible legal ramifications.
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10 May 2018, 4:00 am
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
I basically do follow goldfish protocols (not all of them) and have since 2009, yet I'm still autistic and my health is hilarious, although I do feel good most of the time.
So what am I doing wrong?
So what am I doing wrong?
Depends on what you’re doing differently or not doing that I am. Care to share?
What, share my failures?
That would max this thread out.
Like I said, this is over almost 10 years, and it had nothing to do with treating autism.
But you would think autism symptoms would have improved instead of having the biggest autistic burnout of my life in the middle of it.
No. You said that you "basically do follow goldfish protocols (not all of them)"... and asked "what am I doing wrong?"
My response is to that. What you're doing wrong may depend on what you're doing differently, or not doing at al, that I am. I asked if you'd care to share what you Do do that's a "goldfish protocol," & what you do not; what you do similarly to me, and what you do differently or not at all the same as what I do. I'm curious as there are some things I do that I attribute the lions share of my medicinal success to, and others that provide less of an impact. And another that, IMO, helps improve sensory sensitivities as well as meltdown resistance. So, I'm curious which "goldfish," things you do and which ones you don't & if they're the ones I would attribute to cause/effect of those symptoms (or relief of/lack of relief of) in myself.
I think the only thing I didn't do were the enemas.
And those have been the single most effective thing I've done in the entire protocol I've followed - especially in the beginning, and still now for maintenance. As I reported ~5 years ago, it was after doing this whole process 1-2 dozen times that I passed something like 15-18 "egg-like," masses from my body. I don't know what these "jellyfish," or "egg-like," masses were - but whatever they were, I suspect interfered with my enteric nervous system firing properly. Now as long as I eat a healthy restricted diet to prevent adding fuel to the fire of whatever undesirable stuff grows in my intestinal tract, I only do them every 3-4 weeks-ish, but I really ought to just spend the ~1-2 hours and do it every couple weeks like clockwork to keep myself in even better balance. But I don't because I get lazy and I tend to do it when I notice symptoms are creeping up, or if I have a major social function to attend a couple days later, or if I've sabotaged my diet the day or two before by eating cake at a birthday party or something. Regardless of the frequency or event triggers to decide when to do it, overall, this is the single most effective thing I do for myself and is, in my experience, responsible for the lion's share of my positive results. It's gross science, but it works.
It was probably the lining of your gut being stripped.
BTW, my protocol was very effective medicinally, just not for autism.
The lining of our guts is not made up of "egg-like," masses. Whatever it was was growing in my intestinal tract & likely attached to the intestinal wall until multiple treatments caused it to die/release it's grip and be removed. I also described 5 years ago how it seemed to be like removing layers of paint withs a chemical stripper, only I was killing off and removing something that seemed to have a plant-like or mycelial structure.
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10 May 2018, 4:02 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Telling me I don't know my own diagnosis is akin to telling someone who's face is on fire that they aren't a burn victim until someone with some letters after their name tells them so. It is that obvious. I am still autistic, merely much higher functioning & what I do "turns on the social circuitry," and allows me to navigate the social world much more naturally & fluidly vs. forced, anxiously, and relying on coping mechanisms like intellectual processing.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
It takes a highly trained specialist to properly diagnose autism and differentiate it from other conditions. And then when that's done it's often essential to get a second opinion from another expert.
My parents have read Attwood and Cohen and Grandin and everyone else. My mom even obtained a masters in behavioral psychology specializing in autism. And I have been immersed in all of that my entire life and I'm plenty familiar with Atwood and all the others plus more. Whereas you read one book. So yeah I question your ability to properly diagnose yourself for a number of reasons.
Normally amateur self diagnosis isn't much of an issue with me. But in your case it's a major issue. Btw, did you know if someone follows your specific medicinal formula that you are instructing them on and it has adverse effects they can sue you?
I read more than one book, but this was the single most valuable. Have you read it or have you not read it?
What could they sue me for? For telling them what I did to myself? I'm not prescribing anything to anyone nor making them do anything. I've shared what works for me, and they're welcome to try it for themselves.
Yes I've read Attwood and fwiw I've met him in person at a seminar.
You should probably talk to your lawyer about any possible legal ramifications.
You've read something else by Attwood, or you've read This book?
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10 May 2018, 4:23 am
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The lining of our guts is not made up of "egg-like," masses. Whatever it was was growing in my intestinal tract & likely attached to the intestinal wall until multiple treatments caused it to die/release it's grip and be removed. I also described 5 years ago how it seemed to be like removing layers of paint withs a chemical stripper, only I was killing off and removing something that seemed to have a plant-like or mycelial structure.
This is the mucus, AKA lining, of the intestine. Due to the properties of mucus and the fact it no longer has a surface to adhere to, then it will coalesce into the shapes you describe.
Did not look/feel like mucus. It's not impossible, I just really don't think so. They were more solid masses than any sort of mucus I've ever seen/experienced.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.10 May 2018, 4:25 am
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Telling me I don't know my own diagnosis is akin to telling someone who's face is on fire that they aren't a burn victim until someone with some letters after their name tells them so. It is that obvious. I am still autistic, merely much higher functioning & what I do "turns on the social circuitry," and allows me to navigate the social world much more naturally & fluidly vs. forced, anxiously, and relying on coping mechanisms like intellectual processing.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
It takes a highly trained specialist to properly diagnose autism and differentiate it from other conditions. And then when that's done it's often essential to get a second opinion from another expert.
My parents have read Attwood and Cohen and Grandin and everyone else. My mom even obtained a masters in behavioral psychology specializing in autism. And I have been immersed in all of that my entire life and I'm plenty familiar with Atwood and all the others plus more. Whereas you read one book. So yeah I question your ability to properly diagnose yourself for a number of reasons.
Normally amateur self diagnosis isn't much of an issue with me. But in your case it's a major issue. Btw, did you know if someone follows your specific medicinal formula that you are instructing them on and it has adverse effects they can sue you?
I read more than one book, but this was the single most valuable. Have you read it or have you not read it?
What could they sue me for? For telling them what I did to myself? I'm not prescribing anything to anyone nor making them do anything. I've shared what works for me, and they're welcome to try it for themselves.
Yes I've read Attwood and fwiw I've met him in person at a seminar.
You should probably talk to your lawyer about any possible legal ramifications.
You've read something else by Attwood, or you've read This book?
That book plus more. Have you read Cohen and Grandin etc? Listened to their lectures been to their seminars etc?
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10 May 2018, 4:28 am
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I'm not suggesting that professional diagnoses are of no value, merely that they are, for many of us, simply a confirmation of what we already know.
Not really. Usually they have studied whatever for years and diagnosed and treated hundreds of people. What if you thought you had cancer or whatever. Would you choose to stick with a self diagnosis and concoct a home made treatment? Where do you draw the line at self diagnosis and self treatment?
I've lived 100% of my life like this, I know myself. They can talk to hundreds of patients & still have it equate to only 2nd hand information from other people during a small % of their life. It's incomparable to leaving with AS 24/7, 365. I am confident in my diagnosis.
I draw the line whenever I require someone else' expertise or prescription writing authority. I'm not anti doctor. Whenever I need to see a doctor, I go see one.
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10 May 2018, 4:29 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Telling me I don't know my own diagnosis is akin to telling someone who's face is on fire that they aren't a burn victim until someone with some letters after their name tells them so. It is that obvious. I am still autistic, merely much higher functioning & what I do "turns on the social circuitry," and allows me to navigate the social world much more naturally & fluidly vs. forced, anxiously, and relying on coping mechanisms like intellectual processing.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
EzraS, have you read this book?
Dr. Tony Attwood does an EXCELLENT job of describing the internal thought processes of the AS brain & our life's experiences after interviewing who knows how many Aspies to come to his conclusions. Anyone who reads this book and can relate to it cover to cover as matching their entire life's experiences Knows that they are on the spectrum. If you haven't read it and you don't have a copy at home, I will gladly buy you one and then you can give it a read and know what I am talking about.
It takes a highly trained specialist to properly diagnose autism and differentiate it from other conditions. And then when that's done it's often essential to get a second opinion from another expert.
My parents have read Attwood and Cohen and Grandin and everyone else. My mom even obtained a masters in behavioral psychology specializing in autism. And I have been immersed in all of that my entire life and I'm plenty familiar with Atwood and all the others plus more. Whereas you read one book. So yeah I question your ability to properly diagnose yourself for a number of reasons.
Normally amateur self diagnosis isn't much of an issue with me. But in your case it's a major issue. Btw, did you know if someone follows your specific medicinal formula that you are instructing them on and it has adverse effects they can sue you?
I read more than one book, but this was the single most valuable. Have you read it or have you not read it?
What could they sue me for? For telling them what I did to myself? I'm not prescribing anything to anyone nor making them do anything. I've shared what works for me, and they're welcome to try it for themselves.
Yes I've read Attwood and fwiw I've met him in person at a seminar.
You should probably talk to your lawyer about any possible legal ramifications.
You've read something else by Attwood, or you've read This book?
That book plus more. Have you read Cohen and Grandin etc? Listened to their lectures been to their seminars etc?
So then if you've read the book, then you can comprehend how when someone else reads it & it matches their entire life from their earliest childhood memories and experiences up until the moment they're reading that book how they can be certain if they fit the diagnostic criteria described within it.
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10 May 2018, 4:35 am
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is there a benefit to pooping out excess intestinal mucus?
I have no idea & I have no idea if anyone has ever studied this.
What if neurotoxins build up in excess intestinal mucus and interfere with enteric nervous system functions?
Maybe.
But maybe there's exactly zero benefit to it.
One thing I have noticed, though, and also discussed with someone else on the spectrum from this forum, is that there is a benefit to having a bowel movement, period. I know that until I go in the morning I feel.. slow/sluggish/low energy/brain fog almost.. but afterwards I'm much clearer, awake/energetic etc. In our brief chat, we agreed that it is possible that those of us on the spectrum may have some sort of hypersensitivity to enteric nervous system functions and that having a bowel movement has a greater impact on our health than others. Yes, this was a serious actual conversation off of the forums.
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