Accepting Autism is Like a Traffic Jam

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Ok, well you can vaccinate yours and I won't argue; again, it's your decision. But I'm not going to vaccinate mine because I don't believe the risks are worth it, and I definitely don't feel guilty for that.

I have an 8 month old baby who is already showing some developmental delays. He even has some cute little baby stims. I am going ahead with vaccinations with my baby, because I have researched it so fully, and I have found no compelling evidence not to. I don't want to have an autistic child who then comes down with a preventable disease. Vaccines are safe. They are also a social responsibility.

To some, but I feel it's my responsibility as a parent (well, future parent!) to do the very best I can for my children. The evidence I've seen points to the contents of vaccines being extremely dangerous and toxic, so I won't be putting them into my children's bodies. I don't feel they're safe, so my kids won't get them. If they decide when they're older to get them, then that'll be their decision, but while they're young and in my care they won't be getting them.

Baby stims would be gorgeous!! Though, ugh... I think about how much of a nightmare I was as a kid and I dread having a kid with Asperger's or autism. I'm kinda expecting it (though I don't want to, because I feel that the more you expect something the more likely it'll happen, Theory of Attraction etc!) as it runs so strongly in my family, it'd be kinda odd not to have an aspie kid.

guys lets cease and desist all posts in this thread and let it die peacefully... or we can call a moderator in and let them MURDER it...

I agree this thread should die. There is no reason to beat a dead horse. The quote above has inspired me to start another thread. It is something I have thought my whole life. I wonder if my child thinks this way. Look for thread "creation of reality".

Yeah this whole thing is ridiculous. In older days, it wasn't that autism was less common. Awareness was less common.
We've seen poisons in action, they don't work that way. There's so much I could say, but in 15 pages, I'm sure it's been said...

well, perhaps I am am being a typical Aspie by not recognizing why we would all like to stop talking to each other ? We seem to be companionable and no one is actually being hateful any more.

Why would we want to stop talking?


Merle

LeKiwi, if you did that in Australia you'd lose your family allowance and have big problems getting a school for your children.

I hear some states in the US have school restrictions as well.

EVERYTHING in the world carries some sort of risk. Vaccines are no different to surgery to fix a problem. There is risk involved. But you still do it for safety and health.

Not vaccinating is bad for your child. I'm sorry - but that's a fact. In the UK they had the measles under control until Andrew Wakefield attackled the MMR vaccine. As a result of his idiocy - they had the first fatality from measles in about 14 years recently.

It is your choice, but please think about this.

PS - on Diva's post - Best has picked it up and gone on a rant calling her a liar!

I think he got got and he didn't like it!!

That is a good point. But there are so many good threads, Why post on this one. I just posted on random discussions. Creation of reality, Life is but a dream, thread.

TLPG - you can exemptions on religious/philosophical grounds. All you do is sign the bit of paper. Schools love to tell you that you legally need to be vaccinated to go to their school, but the fact is legally they can't make you. I'd homeschool them if it got down to it any case rather than jab them (and yes, if there was an outbreak of something I would keep them home anyway... I'm not silly ).

I've received a request to lock this thread, but I strongly prefer it when the membership successfully handles these things without moderator intervention. Not that anybody should hesitate to contact a mod about anything that might warrant moderator attention. I just love it when the membership successfully addresses things that are not consistant with WP values.

My best friend and neighbor didn't vaccinate his kid, who's 10 now. He does a lot of things I don't like. If for one generation we vaccinated every child against everything, we could wipe out maybe a dozen diseases, then no more vaccinations. Only one child in 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 would die as a result of the vaccine. But it'll never happen. There will always be those who are afraid that theirs will be that one child in a million. We will never get everybody to act in the best interest of the human race. There will always be individuals who act in their own best interest.

guys lets just let this thread die naturally...

were still beating a dead horse here with this thread...

Mark,
You're right. Could you imagine everyone doing even one thing that's good for the planet? Say, growing hemp instead of cutting down trees? Anyway, I worked for the state department of vaccinations, and exemptions were given for an amazing number of things so that the children could attend public school. That one in a million fear will always rule, I guess.

Hi Beau99!!

About John Best's blog entry calling me a liar... I just wanted to paste this here (I already put it on another thread).

He has filed to get in line to sue vaccine manufacturers and/or the gov't vaccine insurance fund thing.

I wouldn't sue a vaccine manufacturer if my kid had autism, because I don't think there's ever going to be the evidence needed to sue the biggest industry in the world (so the entire excercise would be a waste of time for a start), but also because I firmly believe true autism is hereditary and nothing to do with vaccines or mercury, as he would suggest.

The way I see it, I am acting in the best interest of everybody when I don't vaccinate my kids. You can try and guilt me all you like, but I don't feel a shred of guilt at all. If you're all vaccinating your kids, then that's fine by me (likewise if you choose not to then I have no problem with that either), but you shouldn't have to worry because they'll be immune anyway. And if they aren't, then why bother vaccinating in the first place? I'm not going to leave them to catch these awful diseases; in not immunising I'll be feeding them a lot more natural immune boosters than I guess the average person would - lots of vitamin C, lots of sunlight (vitamin D), plenty of echinacea, garlic, omega-3 oils etc, plus a healthy, organic diet. There are ways to boost immunity that don't involve drugs, and those are the ones I'm going to opt for.

If there was an outbreak of one of these awful diseases (heaven forbid) then I would keep my kids home from school, so they wouldn't be in contact with the rest of the immunised ones anyway and unable to spread anything they would potentially pick up, or pick it up in the first place. I'm not irresponsible and I do care about the well-being of others, I simply don't believe in vaccines and I don't trust big pharma.



As for closing the thread... I don't really see what good that would do. None of this is particularly nasty and there's no mud-slinging (at least the way I'm reading it; you never know! ) so considering it's all constructive, I don't see the need? Constructive conversation is healthy... even if it did start in a fairly horrible way.

Is this John Best guy quite well known?