Board index › General Discussion › General Autism Discussion

Faking autism and Faking aspergers

Page 14 of 23 [ 366 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 ... 23  Next

Previous topic | Next topic

Zonder
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Age: 62
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,081
Location: Sitting on my sofa.

26 Mar 2008, 2:49 pm

NewportBeachDude wrote:
Zonder wrote:
There are people who have quite severe autism who accomplish much that others don't - Temple Grandin comes to mind. No one seems to know why there is this variation, but I suspect that the brain is so complex that the result is a tremendous potential for diversity on the spectrum.


Zonder, I actually liked your post, but wanted to point out that Temple Grandin IS NOT severly Autistic. She is high-functioning and that has been the way she's defined herself for years and at some conferences, she's told people hers is closer to Aspergers. I've read everything's she written and there is no way she considers herself severly Autistic. Maybe as a child before intervention, but not now. She got lots of intervention and has been on medication for the past 20 years to help her cope with daily life.

Zonder wrote:
Some of us grew up in a time of absolutely no educational or social awareness or assistance for the difficulties we faced as children. We toughed it out. The drive and focus that some of us have as a result of our being on the autistic spectrum has made it possible for us to achieve things in spite of being ostracized as children, having difficulties holding it together to attend school, having learning disabilities, or being socially awkward and phobic. Some on the spectrum learn to compensate so well that with age, it appears that they don't have any kind of disorder - but it is still there, and it can still be exhausting to get through a "normal" day.


Zonder, you have Aspergers. Your Aspergers allowed you to "tough it out," but this is not the case with Autism at all. Without intervention, what happens is that many of the kids end up in an institution as an adult because the parents can't possibly care for them forever. Even the high-functioning ones because they cannot live independently. Last night we saw a program called "Autism: The Musical" on HBO. If you have a chance, look at this program. All of these kids are at the highest end of the Autism spectrum, articulate and verbal. But this much I can tell you and everyone can take this to the bank...most of these kids will never see the light of day in mainstream school or classes, the job market, living independently or the other things in life many of us take for granted like relationships. And, this is high-end! This is the difference between Autism and Aspergers. Many Aspies, despite their challenges, can succeed like normal people. However, the vast majority of Autistics will need assistance of some form. EI can help reduce the amount of assistance and hopefully eliminate it with a small minority.

Edited to fix the quotes.


I apologize for being a little vague. You are exactly right about Temple Grandin. Although I can't quote the passage, she said, I believe in Thinking in Pictures, that she was more severely autistic when she was a young child, but that she would now be considered to have Aspergers. As far as myself (and some of my family members) I believe that we fall on the Autistic Spectrum, but don't have severe or "Kanners" autism. Because the Spectrum includes a huge range of ability, it makes it all very confusing and difficult to categorize precisely.

I'll look up that program - thanks for the heads-up!

Z



KingdomOfRats
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 31 Oct 2005
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,833
Location: f'ton,manchester UK

26 Mar 2008, 3:01 pm

DaveSeidel wrote:
Forum members, please be aware that "autism0" is a sock puppet who has posted on WP under other names in the past. This thread is part of a concerted effort (here and elsewhere, including Wikipedia and the AS forums) to attack a long-time member of this community.

its the reason am have not bothered posting on this thread,am recognised who it was from descriptions as they were exactly what other people who have a problem with her have always used against her.

leave her alone and find a new hobby,its like a campaign against her.


_________________
>severely autistic.
>>the residential autist; http://theresidentialautist.blogspot.co.uk
blogging from the view of an ex institutionalised autism/ID activist now in community care.
>>>help to keep bullying off our community,report it!


Sora
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,906
Location: Europe

26 Mar 2008, 3:02 pm

autism0's last 2 posts show that in order to write such they are not well-informed about autism spectrum disorder and related and unrelated to that, equally uninformed about regression.

On a quick note: Regression means losing skills.

Fact is that even toddlers can regress into low-functioning autism. If one has to be autistic at one point, then all toddlers who regressed from perfectly neurotypical development into low-functioning autism just faked it?



Kaleido wrote:
serenity wrote:
Autism0, I'm fairly certain that I have figured out who you are talking about, and I think your obsession with this particular person is unhealthy, whether your accusations are true, or not. I couldn't fathom wasting hours of my time dedicated toward calling someone out. Why would anyone care so much about what someone else is doing? :?

I pretty much came to the same conclusions too.

This topic might still have some interesting avenue to go down though if we leave out anything personal that is.


I can understand that, but I don't think it's a good idea. Because this person will keep bullying if the topic's left to be discussed. (Okay. Not like anybody discussed what this person said before, because nobody was interested in what this person had to say, haha.) But to leave it open for discussion is kind of insulting for the victim of this bullying.



Danielismyname
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Apr 2007
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,565

26 Mar 2008, 8:32 pm

ixochiyo_yohuallan wrote:
Well, if it were THIS easy to diagnose, there wouldn't be so many instances of misdiagnosis. Right now, I have a textbook on developmental disorders (which I forgot to return to a friend) lying around on my shelf, which states that, if AS was not diagnosed in a child, it will most likely be missed in an adult - instead, it is typically misdiagnosed as other conditions, including schizophrenia, schizoid personality disorder (in those whose personality pattern is different), atypical depression (in those who do not have it as a comorbid), OCD (in those who do not have it as a comorbid), etc. Or, in case there really are comorbids, those are usually far more evident and mask the ASD itself. This is not the only source which states that, either.


O, I agree entirely, especially if the individual in question with the comorbids has no idea of their PDD; anxiety and depressive disorders usually start the whole PDD revelation in adults, or so this pamphlet says that I picked up at an autism clinic. I meant that it's easy to diagnose in people who go out of their way to research the disorder, think that they most likely have it, and then seek out professional help with insight and knowledge (this is how it went with me); of note however, "disorders" must affect one's life negatively in some way for professionals to acknowledge it.

I had a figure that states fifty percent of children with AS are missed, usually due to lacking negative behavioural manifestations.

As an aside: It's blatantly obvious who the OP has been referring to the whole time, since the beginning, but I hate to assume out in the open. With popularity comes these things.



SilverProteus
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Jul 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,915
Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

26 Mar 2008, 8:47 pm

DaveSeidel wrote:
Forum members, please be aware that "autism0" is a sock puppet who has posted on WP under other names in the past. This thread is part of a concerted effort (here and elsewhere, including Wikipedia and the AS forums) to attack a long-time member of this community.


There are plenty of such cowards lurking this site. Impersonating others, cyber-bullying, logging on under different usernames etc.


_________________
"Lightning is but a flicker of light, punctuated on all sides by darkness." - Loki


SilverProteus
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Jul 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,915
Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow

26 Mar 2008, 8:55 pm

Who is this person, autism0 and what is your relationship with him/her? Your view on things seems to be somewhat limited and ill informed.

Has this person been diagnosed? Under what circumstances? Have you considered other possibilities to why this person is regressing that doesn't have to do with autism? You're saying that he/she is doing this because he/she wants a creative approach to not wanting to interact with the world? Why do you think so?

If an NT has a depressive episode, is that a creative approach or are they really feeling depressed? Don't they regress when depressed?

Your logic is flawed and you come off as someone ignorant, autism0. If you want to attack someone, do it openly, and not hiding behind another account. It's cowardly.


_________________
"Lightning is but a flicker of light, punctuated on all sides by darkness." - Loki


Averick
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Mar 2007
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,709
Location: My tower upon the crag. Yes, mwahahaha!

26 Mar 2008, 8:55 pm

No doubt this autism0 is trying to offend someone, but I don't understand why Alex didn't realize he was a sock puppet earlier? Perhaps he's not.

Though he/she might have to comprehend that we haven't had a problem with 'this' person lurking here and trying to fit in. I don't see a problem with that.



Whisperer
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Posts: 447

26 Mar 2008, 8:56 pm

So this thread which was "obviously" concocted for the purpose of harassing, humilliating and slandering someone by expounding at length on her person and whatever problems she might have had - real or imagined by the OP - was allowed to go on for 14 pages and several days - apparently with no one even reporting it - becaaaause. . . :?:

Sorry, if I'm asking an obvious question!



alex
Developer
Developer

User avatar

Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,224
Location: Beverly Hills, CA

26 Mar 2008, 9:10 pm

Whisperer wrote:
So this thread which was "obviously" concocted for the purpose of harassing, humilliating and slandering someone by expounding at length on her person and whatever problems she might have had - real or imagined by the OP - was allowed to go on for 14 pages and several days - apparently with no one even reporting it - becaaaause. . . :?:

Sorry, if I'm asking an obvious question!


mainly because it makes autism0 look like an idiot. autism0 made this thread with the intent of discrediting someone but it backfired. He didn't get what he wanted, everyone on Wrong Planet basically told him to shove it, and it brought to light the types of problem we all face when people doubt our diagnoses. I'm proud of our community's response and handling of the issue.

This type of trolling will not be tolerated any longer, however, and autism0 has been banned. Any further sock puppets he attempts to register will also be banned.


_________________
I'm Alex Plank, the founder of Wrong Planet. Follow me (Alex Plank) on Blue Sky: https://bsky.app/profile/alexplank.bsky.social


sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

27 Mar 2008, 1:36 am

KingdomOfRats wrote:
DaveSeidel wrote:
Forum members, please be aware that "autism0" is a sock puppet who has posted on WP under other names in the past. This thread is part of a concerted effort (here and elsewhere, including Wikipedia and the AS forums) to attack a long-time member of this community.

its the reason am have not bothered posting on this thread,am recognised who it was from descriptions as they were exactly what other people who have a problem with her have always used against her.

leave her alone and find a new hobby,its like a campaign against her.


wow! my first thought was 'I wonder if it is me!' it would be just like that if it were, because I would NEVER know it (how Aspie is THAT?)

Merle


_________________
Alis volat propriis
State Motto of Oregon


NewportBeachDude
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 355

27 Mar 2008, 2:42 am

Whisperer wrote:
So this thread which was "obviously" concocted for the purpose of harassing, humilliating and slandering someone by expounding at length on her person and whatever problems she might have had - real or imagined by the OP - was allowed to go on for 14 pages and several days - apparently with no one even reporting it - becaaaause. . . :?:

Sorry, if I'm asking an obvious question!



I did not know this thread was set up to bully another Member. Had I known that, I would not have participated.



2ukenkerl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Jul 2007
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,277

27 Mar 2008, 6:07 am

NewportBeachDude wrote:
Whisperer wrote:
So this thread which was "obviously" concocted for the purpose of harassing, humilliating and slandering someone by expounding at length on her person and whatever problems she might have had - real or imagined by the OP - was allowed to go on for 14 pages and several days - apparently with no one even reporting it - becaaaause. . . :?:

Sorry, if I'm asking an obvious question!



I did not know this thread was set up to bully another Member. Had I known that, I would not have participated.


I didn't know at first either, but my participation helped distract and, I think, disprove a "point", and distracted 2 from autism0s posts. So I don't think my "participation" hurt.



Kaleido
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Feb 2007
Age: 67
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,615

27 Mar 2008, 6:14 am

If the topic had been closed then the OP would have 'won' in a sense and having found a new tool with which to disrupt threads, could have been allowed to wreak havoc. So yes its good to continue posting around the theory but not good to make it personal.

It is going to be and maybe already is a very relevant topic now AS is emerging as a seemingly fashionable disorder.



sinsboldly
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,488
Location: Bandon-by-the-Sea, Oregon

27 Mar 2008, 10:56 am

Kaleido wrote:
If the topic had been closed then the OP would have 'won' in a sense and having found a new tool with which to disrupt threads, could have been allowed to wreak havoc. So yes its good to continue posting around the theory but not good to make it personal.

It is going to be and maybe already is a very relevant topic now AS is emerging as a seemingly fashionable disorder.


I was wondering where AS was considered fashionable? It is practically unheard of in my geographical area. I worked with LCSW and a psychologist and they had had no experience nor exposure to the condition. I did find a group of older Aspies in another town that scuttled in and out to the bi monthly meetings like they were coming in the back door of the dirty book store. I did read about "The Geek Syndrome" in Wired, but other than that, until I came to WP it was virtually unknown. So I wondered where AS was considered 'fashionable.'
thanks


Merle



zen_mistress
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 6,033

27 Mar 2008, 11:05 am

Yeah, I told some people on another online board that I thought I had Aspergers and at least 2 of them posted, saying that it was "fashionable" or something and that lots of people were obtaining the diagnosis, lots of people seem to have diagnosed children these days... etc etc.

I dont think I really understand them though, sort of like I am seeking a life of glitz and glamour through Public Aspergers. I dont know... ?

Look out Hollywood, Im coming! Eye Contact is like, so yesterday!


_________________
"Caravan is the name of my history, and my life an extraordinary adventure."
~ Amin Maalouf

Taking a break.


littlebopeep
Supporting Member
Supporting Member

User avatar

Joined: 12 Dec 2007
Gender: Female
Posts: 71

27 Mar 2008, 11:15 am

Whisperer wrote:
So this thread which was "obviously" concocted for the purpose of harassing, humilliating and slandering someone by expounding at length on her person and whatever problems she might have had - real or imagined by the OP - was allowed to go on for 14 pages and several days - apparently with no one even reporting it - becaaaause. . . :?:

Sorry, if I'm asking an obvious question!


I reported this thread five days ago.

The topic in general is interesting and timely, but the OP made so many comments specific to one person that his personal beefs were obvious. I've enjoyed the discussion in this thread about the general topic. But that personal beef business is tiresome and immoral and I'm glad the OP was banned.