I believe that Autism Is 100% Genetic!

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Well, what is 'a lack of identity' and 'ego strength' then?

'Lack of identity' is a term that can be easily applied to some delusional disorders and especially to some personality disorders.

The term 'a lack of identity' can mean several things and the term is in use for several different definitions. And you didn't state which one you meant.

I'm not going to answer your specific question. You're going to have to educate yourself as far as that goes.

Personality disorders generally have no lack at all when it comes to identity or ego strength, they are flagrantly egotistical and need loads of attention, etc., and the disorder is completely contridictory to a diagnosis of autism and AS. It also isn't part of the list of comorbid diseases related to autism, which should also help clear things up.

I am educated, thank you.

Seeing how I know that ASDs are neurological disorders and PDs and you know that ASDs are something else/addtional to that, we are both educated in different ways which is acceptable as a diversity of opinion and knowledge.

The same goes for the understanding of PDs in which we both again differ as also in the understanding or reference to diagnostic criteria such as of both the ICD-10 and the DSM-IV-TR for classical autism/autistic disorder and all other forms of autism spectrum disorders.

It's impossible to understand what you're trying to say. I doubt it makes any real sense. Autism and AS cannot abide together with Personality Disorders. They are two very extremely opposite problems that cannot co-exist as one.

Take care...

To say I do not make sense is insulting and I wonder if it was intentional or not.

You could have said something like I did. Such as: From my perspective, I cannot understand your opinion on this topic. From your perspective, you cannot understand my opinion on this.

I know from experience both can go together. You, maybe from experience too, say they cannot.

Again I'll say that we obviously stay with these differing opinions and that's just all-right. It's not like researches all agree on even the fundamental aspects of what autism is.

But I'm not accepting that I am told I speak non-sense as a generalised statement. Non-sense to you is acceptable, but not everybody thinks the same as you (or me).

Therefore a general claim that what I say does not 'make any sense' is greatly devaluing and by that insulting.

Borderline Personality Disorder is "a pervasive pattern of instability of [...] identity..."
The diagnostic criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder includes as an item "identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self"
Listed as an item for differential diagnosis (ie an item that might be mistaken for BPD or which BPD might be mistaken for) is "identity problem".
Borderline Personality Disorder is a personality disorder.
Seems fairly conclusive to me.

What remains mysterious to me is why you believe identity disturbance is necessarily entailed in being autistic (if in fact this is what you are intending to communicate), and quite what you mean by a lack of identity in the context of your comments.


None of which requires that they have a strong or stable identity or sense of identity.


Personality disorders are a range of disorders. Between the highly variant disorders that constitute personality disorders as a group, virtually all, if not all, human personality traits are encompassed. How than can any group's traits be contrary to all the traits encompassed within the range of traits associated with one or more personality disorder?


It doesnt. The common cold is not listed as a comorbid disease related to autism either. Do you infer from this absence that people with autism have immunity to the common cold?

Guys, lay it to rest - it's a deadthread.

Not trying to invite hostility here! Just a fair warning to those seeking answers from certain sources. Mostly to get my iphone to let, frighin' thing, me cancel the autoalert...

I wasn't at all excluding Borderline Personality Disorder. However you define it, it still isn't listed as comorbid with autism. Those disorders however they are defined is, IMO, contridictory to autism.

You're free to have and exercise your own opinion just as I have. I explained the logic behind my conclusion and that's all I need to do. You can come on with the attack all you want but it doesn't make your point any more valid than mine.

Schizoid Personality Disorder is close to Asperger's (displaying appropriate and understanding nonverbal cues will make one the former).

Asperger's was first called a personality disorder by Hans himself (who was of the impression that Autism was a psychotic illness, whereas AS was a personality disorder).

It's just a whole heap of semantics to put people in little boxes.

That's pretty much how it goes.

Schizo-affective Disorder is also a misdiagnosis for autism. Personality Disorders don't necessarily belong in the same category.

I am confused as to what you are intending to communicate. You asserted that no personality disorder can be comorbid with autism, and cite as a reason that the trait 'lack of identity' characterises autism and is contrary to traits of every personality disorder. Yet borderline personality is a personality disorder and it is characterised by the trait 'lack of identity'.


Neither is the common cold. Do you infer from this that persons with autism are immune from contracting the common cold?

I believe I understand your position on this, and that it is the reasons for your opinion I might be unclear on.


Of course, and obviously an appropriate place to express such opinions would be a discussion forum whose purpose includes the discussion of opinions.

You do not need to that much, it's entirely your choice what you do and do not explain. None-the-less the credibility of yourself and views is unlikely to be unaffected by the extent to which you offer (or fail to offer) sound explanations for any views, opinions or conclusions you post about.


Aha, I'll keep that in mind if there ever appears to be some circumstance in which it might be relevant to something...


Schizo-affective Disorder is a distinct condition to schizoid personality disorder, and the latter is a personality disorder that shares many traits with those predicted of autism (as Danielismyname correctly asserted).

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When it is listed with the diseases that are comorbid with ASD, then you might have an argument.

Go beat a pillow or something and get a grip.

When every disease that can co-occur with autism is listed as comorbid (in lists of comorbids) your reasoning might make sense.


What have you got against pillows?

For what purpose do you wish me to grip some unspecified thing/s?

If all you can do is highlight someone else's words, it doesn't say much. And what you did say doesn't say much either.

Be well...

Okay, shouldn't get involved again... Didn't particularly feel like posting, but you're obvious aggression to not only myself earlier but to several other members leaves me irate - not to mention your blatant disregard in even recognizing others opinions, or even using correct logic! I highly doubt you, sir, with your clearly limited knowledge and almost virulent insistance that autism cannot be at all genetic, leads me to - along with your attitude - believe you are not autistc, but have personality issues and are using autism as a form of "not my fault" escapism. Your offensive signature further evidences this by your statements of unconfirmed "early infantile autism" caused by brain damage - a disproven theory - and statement of "unimagineable abuse", a statement which, I find difficult to swallow - few here would not have experienced abuse, saying such a thing us - inadvertantly, perhaps - offensive those who have also suffered abuse. I don't mean to pretend to be a mod, nor invite another thread fued, but your behaviour towards people, though perhaps not myself, who have been courteous to you is particularly insulting. Remain calm, polite - though I can't say much on that subject - and remember that forums are about equal debate. Again, I don't wish to cause more trouble, but I just don't think you should behave the way you are. You have an opportunity here - don't blow it.

Evidently you can't even read Ishmael! You've already behaved like an animal. This is no exception, and doesn't impress either. You're free to make any kind of slanderous remark you choose, as has already been proven. I've done nothing more than voice my opinion as everyone else here does.