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08 Nov 2009, 10:14 am

I cant understand the obession with football man NTs have, all it equates to is a load of angry men running about in a field trying to kick a ball. It would be fine if they played it, and maybe their friends, but having the entire country obsessed with it and singing stupid songs about is is just plain irritating, and when someone asks what your favourite team is (If I choose ti ie, and say one that pops in to my head) they will always say "Oh my god, they're well rubbish... support [insert random town here]".



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08 Nov 2009, 10:28 am

one thing i can not understand is why everyone is so hard to understand.
i also do not understand why i do not understand it but there one goes.



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08 Nov 2009, 1:33 pm

I'll admit that there are times trouble can not only be in the form of vocal translations as seen in a conversation but, often have found it in a written context something, I feel very embarrassed about and ashamed for not often being able to properly understand the context of one's written thoughts... :oops:



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12 Nov 2009, 9:28 am

Flirting. It might just be me but it seems like a dishonest cheesy headgame to me.


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12 Nov 2009, 10:24 am

I don't understand when they talk in metaphors, when they don't say the whole sentence, e.g. "are you going", "did he?" and so.
And don't explain then. What a hell. I don't get it how do they understand each other when they are talking like that, and this NATURALLY.
I also don't get it why do they hug and touch their classmates, or people they hardly know, so much when these are not their close friends.
Anyway, NT world is weird.


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12 Nov 2009, 10:31 am

Is there 1 NT thing I do understand!? Nope! :lol:



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12 Nov 2009, 11:32 am

i know i have already answered, but i can not be bothered to find it, so i may repeat myself here. if i aready said this, then this post is the "expansion pack".

i do not understand why people are so agog with children. in australia i have noticed that most of our TV ad's contain children who are the "stars" of the ads.
they say the sales pitch in their faltering toddler way and adults fall in love immediately with the message that any "toddler" says.

toddlermaniacs they all seem to be. whatever is said from the mouth of a toddler strums the heart strings of normal people.

they seem way too fixated on children and everything they do and think about is "for the kids".
they declare themselves unimportant in comparison to their kids.

kids kids kids kids.

that is what people are mainly fixated upon.

like even just a little while ago i saw a crime show about some abduction of a little girl, and the police were saying things like "we dropped all our other investigations and devoted the entire resources of our department to finding this little girl".

ok. so they may have been investigating the disappearance of various adults, but they give up because the child is more important by far than any adult.

also, the policemen interviewed all cried and said things like "you know...when you are investigating the disappearance of an adult, it is important, but when you are investigating the disappearance of a child it is all consuming". i wondered why a child's life is more valuable than other lives.
children all grow up. maybe when i was a child, i was the most important thing to society, but now i am not a child i am not as valuable. why am i not as valuable to the world now as i was when i was a child. i did nothing to disqualify myself from importance (relatively to when i was a child).

i know if i went to hospital with a heart attack, and a baby came in 5 minutes later with a cough, that i would have to wait for the baby to be treated, and if that story was broadcast to viewers in a current affairs program, everyone who watches would think it was correct to treat the baby's mild cough in precedence to my fatal heart attack.

i personally believe every life is as valuable as any other life. i think a gnat is a little simple person inside a short lived body, and i know they live in their consciousnesses as firmly as i live in mine.

i never met anyone who realizes that the life of a cockroach is as important as the life of any other being that lives.

if you look at their heads, you see them twitch and decide things, and they must be conscious and even a small glimmer of consciousness is infinitely important to love and care for.

children are no more important than any other life.
humans seem to raise the value of their children to a level where they will kill other animal lives in order to make things happier for their baby.

i can not speak further as i have descended deeply into an autistic phase that i hope will not be there when i wake uop.



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12 Nov 2009, 8:28 pm

b9 wrote:
i know i have already answered, but i can not be bothered to find it, so i may repeat myself here. if i aready said this, then this post is the "expansion pack".

i do not understand why people are so agog with children. in australia i have noticed that most of our TV ad's contain children who are the "stars" of the ads.
they say the sales pitch in their faltering toddler way and adults fall in love immediately with the message that any "toddler" says.

toddlermaniacs they all seem to be. whatever is said from the mouth of a toddler strums the heart strings of normal people.

they seem way too fixated on children and everything they do and think about is "for the kids".
they declare themselves unimportant in comparison to their kids.

kids kids kids kids.

that is what people are mainly fixated upon.

like even just a little while ago i saw a crime show about some abduction of a little girl, and the police were saying things like "we dropped all our other investigations and devoted the entire resources of our department to finding this little girl".

ok. so they may have been investigating the disappearance of various adults, but they give up because the child is more important by far than any adult.

also, the policemen interviewed all cried and said things like "you know...when you are investigating the disappearance of an adult, it is important, but when you are investigating the disappearance of a child it is all consuming". i wondered why a child's life is more valuable than other lives.
children all grow up. maybe when i was a child, i was the most important thing to society, but now i am not a child i am not as valuable. why am i not as valuable to the world now as i was when i was a child. i did nothing to disqualify myself from importance (relatively to when i was a child).

i know if i went to hospital with a heart attack, and a baby came in 5 minutes later with a cough, that i would have to wait for the baby to be treated, and if that story was broadcast to viewers in a current affairs program, everyone who watches would think it was correct to treat the baby's mild cough in precedence to my fatal heart attack.

i personally believe every life is as valuable as any other life. i think a gnat is a little simple person inside a short lived body, and i know they live in their consciousnesses as firmly as i live in mine.

i never met anyone who realizes that the life of a cockroach is as important as the life of any other being that lives.

if you look at their heads, you see them twitch and decide things, and they must be conscious and even a small glimmer of consciousness is infinitely important to love and care for.

children are no more important than any other life.
humans seem to raise the value of their children to a level where they will kill other animal lives in order to make things happier for their baby.

i can not speak further as i have descended deeply into an autistic phase that i hope will not be there when i wake uop.


WTF!?! I like kids. :lol:


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12 Nov 2009, 8:59 pm

I agree with some other things posted here like what is the significance of the hand-shaking? It's kindof irritating on some level, but I just ignore it, but then I admit to not understanding what it means to others, what it signifies to meet someone and have to shake hands.

Also, that look that NTs share back and forth, that is supposed to be significant. I think it's a part of what I call the NT shorthand, some language that they use that goes beyond just spoken words, and so then I'm lost in it and I can't give the correct replies according to their social rules, so I'm out the chance to make contact really, to make some kind of acquaintance out of it.

Also I don't understand how in five minutes in a crowded somewhere, a group of NTs can become so engrossed with each other that within minutes they are all exchanging phone numbers and email addresses. Nobody asks for mine, even if I was an integral part of whatever business meeting or class that just took place and people realize my intelligence, when it comes to the socials, I get dropped like a hot potato or am just ignored in this crowd of buzzing little interconnectors.

I don't understand how they are all connected, but I am not a part of that network and in fact to think of being included makes me uncomfortable anyway. I don't want to be close to them, but why do they want to be close to each other? And how do they always realize within minutes that I just don't belong?



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13 Nov 2009, 2:33 pm

I can't seem to understand the NT ideal of sarcasim as, this often perplexes me greatly and makes me more beffudled after having to listen to a conversation with that variable in it..



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13 Nov 2009, 6:51 pm

b9 wrote:
one thing i can not understand is why everyone is so hard to understand.
i also do not understand why i do not understand it but there one goes.



There is a children's computer game called Pajama Sam. Pajama Sam is a little boy, and in one adventure, he meets a philosopher and they have this conversation:

Philosopher: The wisest man is he who understands that he understands nothing.

Sam: But how can he understand if he understands nothing?

Philosopher: Ah! You begin to understand!



Make of that what you will.



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13 Nov 2009, 7:13 pm

b9 wrote:
i know i have already answered, but i can not be bothered to find it, so i may repeat myself here. if i aready said this, then this post is the "expansion pack".

i do not understand why people are so agog with children. in australia i have noticed that most of our TV ad's contain children who are the "stars" of the ads.
they say the sales pitch in their faltering toddler way and adults fall in love immediately with the message that any "toddler" says.

toddlermaniacs they all seem to be. whatever is said from the mouth of a toddler strums the heart strings of normal people.

they seem way too fixated on children and everything they do and think about is "for the kids".
they declare themselves unimportant in comparison to their kids.

kids kids kids kids.

that is what people are mainly fixated upon.

like even just a little while ago i saw a crime show about some abduction of a little girl, and the police were saying things like "we dropped all our other investigations and devoted the entire resources of our department to finding this little girl".

ok. so they may have been investigating the disappearance of various adults, but they give up because the child is more important by far than any adult.

also, the policemen interviewed all cried and said things like "you know...when you are investigating the disappearance of an adult, it is important, but when you are investigating the disappearance of a child it is all consuming". i wondered why a child's life is more valuable than other lives.
children all grow up. maybe when i was a child, i was the most important thing to society, but now i am not a child i am not as valuable. why am i not as valuable to the world now as i was when i was a child. i did nothing to disqualify myself from importance (relatively to when i was a child).

i know if i went to hospital with a heart attack, and a baby came in 5 minutes later with a cough, that i would have to wait for the baby to be treated, and if that story was broadcast to viewers in a current affairs program, everyone who watches would think it was correct to treat the baby's mild cough in precedence to my fatal heart attack.

i personally believe every life is as valuable as any other life. i think a gnat is a little simple person inside a short lived body, and i know they live in their consciousnesses as firmly as i live in mine.

i never met anyone who realizes that the life of a cockroach is as important as the life of any other being that lives.

if you look at their heads, you see them twitch and decide things, and they must be conscious and even a small glimmer of consciousness is infinitely important to love and care for.

children are no more important than any other life.
humans seem to raise the value of their children to a level where they will kill other animal lives in order to make things happier for their baby.

i can not speak further as i have descended deeply into an autistic phase that i hope will not be there when i wake uop.


Well...let's see...

Human infants are important to human adults because we're going to be the next generation, that's why. We're (hopefully) going to keep the population going. However, I still think it would be terrible that we put off someone with a heart attack just to cure a baby that has a simple, non-life threatening cough. It is wrong and I would not do it if I were a doctor. The baby would come last.

And I do value the lives of insects, worms, and arachnids. I would much rather escort a spider outside than try to kill it. However, sadly, my neurotypical sister doesn't think the same. If she sees a mosquito, she kills it. I still remember seeing a partially dead mosquito on the bathroom mirror, because my killer sister hates the insect. Its leg was still twitching, so I put it out of its misery as a mercy killing.
I wouldn't try to step on a cockroach if I saw one, either. I do value worms' lives, but I'm just not keen on picking one up.
So, there, now you have met an Aspergian that does, in fact, value creepy-crawly (though I think they aren't so creepy) lives. And, most amazing of them all, I'm the gender that's supposed to hate crawlies the most.



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13 Nov 2009, 7:14 pm

If there was ever a classic example of "having a lack of empathy" this post would be it.

Children are special. They are perfect and unspoiled and pure. They do not know hatered or prejudice and are like a beautiful, clean sheet of white paper. They can be anything. They have not been ruined by the world yet.

I know because of your AS you just "don't get it", and that's OK. But really, understand that you have a cold, selfish, self absorbed view of the world that most people aren't going to be very receptive to. I'd sort of keep it to myself in public if I were you.



b9 wrote:
i know i have already answered, but i can not be bothered to find it, so i may repeat myself here. if i aready said this, then this post is the "expansion pack".

i do not understand why people are so agog with children. in australia i have noticed that most of our TV ad's contain children who are the "stars" of the ads.
they say the sales pitch in their faltering toddler way and adults fall in love immediately with the message that any "toddler" says.

toddlermaniacs they all seem to be. whatever is said from the mouth of a toddler strums the heart strings of normal people.

they seem way too fixated on children and everything they do and think about is "for the kids".
they declare themselves unimportant in comparison to their kids.

kids kids kids kids.

that is what people are mainly fixated upon.

like even just a little while ago i saw a crime show about some abduction of a little girl, and the police were saying things like "we dropped all our other investigations and devoted the entire resources of our department to finding this little girl".

ok. so they may have been investigating the disappearance of various adults, but they give up because the child is more important by far than any adult.

also, the policemen interviewed all cried and said things like "you know...when you are investigating the disappearance of an adult, it is important, but when you are investigating the disappearance of a child it is all consuming". i wondered why a child's life is more valuable than other lives.
children all grow up. maybe when i was a child, i was the most important thing to society, but now i am not a child i am not as valuable. why am i not as valuable to the world now as i was when i was a child. i did nothing to disqualify myself from importance (relatively to when i was a child).

i know if i went to hospital with a heart attack, and a baby came in 5 minutes later with a cough, that i would have to wait for the baby to be treated, and if that story was broadcast to viewers in a current affairs program, everyone who watches would think it was correct to treat the baby's mild cough in precedence to my fatal heart attack.

i personally believe every life is as valuable as any other life. i think a gnat is a little simple person inside a short lived body, and i know they live in their consciousnesses as firmly as i live in mine.

i never met anyone who realizes that the life of a cockroach is as important as the life of any other being that lives.

if you look at their heads, you see them twitch and decide things, and they must be conscious and even a small glimmer of consciousness is infinitely important to love and care for.

children are no more important than any other life.
humans seem to raise the value of their children to a level where they will kill other animal lives in order to make things happier for their baby.

i can not speak further as i have descended deeply into an autistic phase that i hope will not be there when i wake uop.



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13 Nov 2009, 7:19 pm

BTW. No Doctor is ever going to treat a child with a simple cold/cough over a guy having a heart attack. That was a ridiculous example.



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13 Nov 2009, 8:18 pm

granatelli wrote:
If there was ever a classic example of "having a lack of empathy" this post would be it.

Children are special. They are perfect and unspoiled and pure. They do not know hatered or prejudice and are like a beautiful, clean sheet of white paper. They can be anything. They have not been ruined by the world yet.

Are you sure of this or is it just something you really want to believe? Children are not innocent. Come on, take off the rose colored adult glasses. Do you even remember what kids were like when you were a kid yourself?

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I know because of your AS you just "don't get it", and that's OK. But really, understand that you have a cold, selfish, self absorbed view of the world that most people aren't going to be very receptive to. I'd sort of keep it to myself in public if I were you.

You're the only one in this thread whose made a personal attack. How upstanding you are. :roll:



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13 Nov 2009, 8:21 pm

granatelli wrote:
BTW. No Doctor is ever going to treat a child with a simple cold/cough over a guy having a heart attack. That was a ridiculous example.

I interpreted that as humorous hyperbole. I think he has a point though.