08 Jul 2012, 10:25 pm
CuriousKitten
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08 Jul 2012, 10:25 pm
Mysty wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
Mysty wrote:
I really, really, dislike the term "culturally autistic". Maybe there's places where it fits, but not here. We aren't talking about learned differences, which is what "culturally autistic" implies. We are talking innate differences. Any cultural differences come out of differences that aren't cultural, that are more basic, innate, than culture. Culture one learns from the world around you.
Broader autistic phenotype is better, but still, I dislike the assumption that the difference is genetic. Though it's better than the assumption that it's cultural. It's also long, and the abbreviated form BAP is ambiguous.
I'm talking about a term and definition for it, for having autistic traits without regard for whether or not psychiatric professionals thinking it's a disorder, without assumptions about origin. And not just a term for those without diagnosis. Also, a term/definition that can be used as well by those with a diagnosis but who don't define there differences as simply a disorder.
Broader autistic phenotype is better, but still, I dislike the assumption that the difference is genetic. Though it's better than the assumption that it's cultural. It's also long, and the abbreviated form BAP is ambiguous.
I'm talking about a term and definition for it, for having autistic traits without regard for whether or not psychiatric professionals thinking it's a disorder, without assumptions about origin. And not just a term for those without diagnosis. Also, a term/definition that can be used as well by those with a diagnosis but who don't define there differences as simply a disorder.
The idea of culturally autistic isn't that it comes from cultural differences, but that its people who fit with the autistic culture because they have those traits.
I still dislike the term for the reasons I said. I also don't think there's a such thing as autistic culture. But if there is, the term culturally autistic would refer to being part of that culture, NOT to have any particular innate traits. Fitting in my come from innate traits, but the term still doesn't refer to the innate traits. Culturally means culturally.
How about "Autisic Community" ? This would include everyone on the spectrum and any family, professionals or others who identify with us.
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Aspie score: 142/200 NT score: 64/200
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BAP: 109 aloof, 94 rigid and 85 pragmatic
08 Jul 2012, 10:31 pm
CuriousKitten
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08 Jul 2012, 10:53 pm
Mysty wrote:
CuriousKitten wrote:
Mysty wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
Mysty wrote:
I really, really, dislike the term "culturally autistic". Maybe there's places where it fits, but not here. We aren't talking about learned differences, which is what "culturally autistic" implies. We are talking innate differences. Any cultural differences come out of differences that aren't cultural, that are more basic, innate, than culture. Culture one learns from the world around you.
Broader autistic phenotype is better, but still, I dislike the assumption that the difference is genetic. Though it's better than the assumption that it's cultural. It's also long, and the abbreviated form BAP is ambiguous.
I'm talking about a term and definition for it, for having autistic traits without regard for whether or not psychiatric professionals thinking it's a disorder, without assumptions about origin. And not just a term for those without diagnosis. Also, a term/definition that can be used as well by those with a diagnosis but who don't define there differences as simply a disorder.
Broader autistic phenotype is better, but still, I dislike the assumption that the difference is genetic. Though it's better than the assumption that it's cultural. It's also long, and the abbreviated form BAP is ambiguous.
I'm talking about a term and definition for it, for having autistic traits without regard for whether or not psychiatric professionals thinking it's a disorder, without assumptions about origin. And not just a term for those without diagnosis. Also, a term/definition that can be used as well by those with a diagnosis but who don't define there differences as simply a disorder.
The idea of culturally autistic isn't that it comes from cultural differences, but that its people who fit with the autistic culture because they have those traits.
I still dislike the term for the reasons I said. I also don't think there's a such thing as autistic culture. But if there is, the term culturally autistic would refer to being part of that culture, NOT to have any particular innate traits. Fitting in my come from innate traits, but the term still doesn't refer to the innate traits. Culturally means culturally.
How about "Autisic Community" ? This would include everyone on the spectrum and any family, professionals or others who identify with us.
Maybe a useful term, but not a term for people with autistic traits (and only those with traits) irregardless of how disabled they are by those traits. Also, it's a term for a group of people, not a person.
If we start separating ourselves out by traits, diagnosis or disability, we would rapidly end up with too many categories to keep track of. A term that is all-inclusive would do more to build the community so that we can more easily make our voices heard.
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Aspie score: 142/200 NT score: 64/200
AQ Score: 42
BAP: 109 aloof, 94 rigid and 85 pragmatic
08 Jul 2012, 11:38 pm
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09 Jul 2012, 12:24 am
CuriousKitten
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09 Jul 2012, 12:32 am
Venger wrote:
I was diagnosed with AS like 17 years ago way back in 1995. Therefore, I think self-diagnosed people should get off their azz and go do it. lol
There is nobody in my area qualified to diagnose a 52 year old woman. I'm not going to go driving to Atlanta (many hours each way) to make this happen.
getting diagnosed as a kid is easy. The older you are the harder it gets to get a diagnosis, let alone therapy.
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Aspie score: 142/200 NT score: 64/200
AQ Score: 42
BAP: 109 aloof, 94 rigid and 85 pragmatic
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09 Jul 2012, 7:33 am
Since when was there treatment for Autism / Aspergers? 
Ok, those of us with speech problems may get therapy and those with co-morbid disorders (epilepsy, etc) may get treated for that; but there's no treatment as such.
09 Jul 2012, 7:54 am
