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03 Jun 2011, 12:51 am

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Oh, yes I can. Because, from the emotional subtext of her communication, I could tell she was butt hurt (or at least annoyed) despite claims otherwise. And, from that, I could definitely that the emotional reaction was 'instinctive' in the way that the comprehension was 'natural' and not artificial like it would be if it were 'analyzed'.


You're trying to say I must be NT because I used the words 'butt hurt', aren't you? I plead 'aspie emotional immaturity' - I'm much too old to know how to use 'butt hurt' in correct context...

I read the insult correctly, just mistakenly thought it was also directed at me because of placement. Right meaning, wrong timing. And still rude young man.



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03 Jun 2011, 12:56 am

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Oh, yes I can. Because, from the emotional subtext of her communication, I could tell she was butt hurt (or at least annoyed) despite claims otherwise. And, from that, I could definitely that the emotional reaction was 'instinctive' in the way that the comprehension was 'natural' and not artificial like it would be if it were 'analyzed'.


DUDE! The response could totally be a matter of format. Forum posts are like that, you can dress them up how you like. "Seriously? Did you really say that? What the f**k is your problem? Do you realize what you're saying here? Yeah, well f**k you too." and so on.

Also, analysis doesn't preclude annoyance. I wasn't annoyed because for some inexplicable reason I kind of like you, but from some people I would find such a statement exceedingly annoying.

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That's the thing - for NTs, it's not analytical or something that you "conclude" as if you're purposefully 'examining the evidence'. It's something you understand right away and your emotions reflect this understanding.


Yes, I have heard of this process. It's an interesting theory, and I am sure that it is even true. Unfortunately, it can also lead to knee-jerk responses such as reading intent and subtext that does not exist. Or using theory of mind to assume that because someone said something a particular way, they got to that point the same way as the NT would.

What I mean is, the process Draelynn used may very well not be NT-like at all, but it's not impossible to write things in the vernacular when you draw a conclusion about what you're reading. So it may simply be that she is successful at faking NT responses.



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03 Jun 2011, 12:57 am

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I read the insult correctly, just mistakenly thought it was also directed at me because of placement. Right meaning, wrong timing.


That's perfectly understandable.

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03 Jun 2011, 1:15 am

So... I'd hate to act all autistic on you all and start rambling about a topic that I find interesting after the conversation has moved on but...

If someone self-diagnoses himself and then goes to a doctor and gets a professional diagnosis but that diagnosis is wrong, does it really change anything? I mean the doctor probably sees someone who is socially withdrawn because of anxiety so the doctor would probably put him on anti-anxiety meds and send him to therapy to work on some social skills, which is what he needs whether he technically is on the spectrum or not. So does getting misdiagnosed really matter?


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03 Jun 2011, 1:17 am

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So... I'd hate to act all autistic on you all and start rambling about a topic that I find interesting after the conversation has moved on but...

If someone self-diagnoses himself and then goes to a doctor and gets a professional diagnosis but that diagnosis is wrong, does it really change anything? I mean the doctor probably sees someone who is socially withdrawn because of anxiety so the doctor would probably put him on anti-anxiety meds and send him to therapy to work on some social skills, which is what he needs whether he technically is on the spectrum or not. So does getting misdiagnosed really matter?


Yes.

It may very well be that therapy and social skills training for an NT with social anxiety will not meet an autistic person's needs.



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03 Jun 2011, 1:24 am

Verdandi wrote:
Seph wrote:
So... I'd hate to act all autistic on you all and start rambling about a topic that I find interesting after the conversation has moved on but...

If someone self-diagnoses himself and then goes to a doctor and gets a professional diagnosis but that diagnosis is wrong, does it really change anything? I mean the doctor probably sees someone who is socially withdrawn because of anxiety so the doctor would probably put him on anti-anxiety meds and send him to therapy to work on some social skills, which is what he needs whether he technically is on the spectrum or not. So does getting misdiagnosed really matter?


Yes.

It may very well be that therapy and social skills training for an NT with social anxiety will not meet an autistic person's needs.


And vice-versa I assume.

I'm thinking that the issues that the autistic person has would come out in therapy and the therapy would move toward the direction of the needs of the person with autism. So it would slow things down but I don't see it as being totally ineffectual. Am I being too optimistic?


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03 Jun 2011, 1:31 am

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Seph wrote:
So... I'd hate to act all autistic on you all and start rambling about a topic that I find interesting after the conversation has moved on but...

If someone self-diagnoses himself and then goes to a doctor and gets a professional diagnosis but that diagnosis is wrong, does it really change anything? I mean the doctor probably sees someone who is socially withdrawn because of anxiety so the doctor would probably put him on anti-anxiety meds and send him to therapy to work on some social skills, which is what he needs whether he technically is on the spectrum or not. So does getting misdiagnosed really matter?


Yes.

It may very well be that therapy and social skills training for an NT with social anxiety will not meet an autistic person's needs.


And vice-versa I assume.

I'm thinking that the issues that the autistic person has would come out in therapy and the therapy would move toward the direction of the needs of the person with autism. So it would slow things down but I don't see it as being totally ineffectual. Am I being too optimistic?


I suspect most therapists, psychiatrists, and psychologists, have no idea how to do psychotherapy with an autistic person. They focus on the ways NTs relate to people, and that's far less effective than with autistic people. This is in fact one of the stumbling blocks I have with my therapist, and she knows I'm autistic.

So it can really be hit or miss, I guess.



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03 Jun 2011, 3:45 am

Self diagnosed Aspergers are pathological liars. More than likely you are a compulsive PATHOLOGICAL LIAR and a social misfit stuck in your lazy, self centred ways.

Unless you have real evidence/proof you do not have Aspergers.



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03 Jun 2011, 3:57 am

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Self diagnosed Aspergers are pathological liars. More than likely you are a compulsive PATHOLOGICAL LIAR and a social misfit stuck in your lazy, self centred ways.

Unless you have real evidence/proof you do not have Aspergers.


Lol... I want to say something but what... Actually from a certain point of view I can see how you can be right. (Although calling them "liars" is a little overboard...) Self-diagnosis amounts to only a suspicion of AS. I don't think professional diagnosis is that accurate either. But... it's the best we have right now so I don't think it's productive worrying about it. So... do you think all self-diagnosed people with Asperger's are self-centered? I'm not comfortable with blanket statements like that.


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03 Jun 2011, 4:42 am

I cant help but noticing that the people who are telling people they do not have it and that they are delusional etc, dont actually have a diagnosis themselves when I look at their profile.


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03 Jun 2011, 7:02 am

I'd feel broken and lost beyond hope. I don't know what I'd do.


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03 Jun 2011, 7:46 am

Remember, most of your doctors were educated in a system that's made up of NTs and unknowing autistics in a normal sort of mix, and it's reactive against anything that upsets that balance. Indeed, your doctor may be autistic or be in association unknowingly with undiagnosed autistics. All of these factors increase the resistance to diagnosis.

If your doctor has any current knowledge of autism, it's almost certainly in the context of early childhood diagnosis. Adult autistics just aren't on the horizon for our medical professionals. We have to deal with them, but we can't trust their opinions.



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03 Jun 2011, 7:47 am

Well, I think that in the broader..... huh? - what? (sniff sniff) EEEEeeeeWWW!! - Someones been feeding trolls in THIS thread - nasty!



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03 Jun 2011, 9:20 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:
Self diagnosed Aspergers are pathological liars. More than likely you are a compulsive PATHOLOGICAL LIAR and a social misfit stuck in your lazy, self centred ways.

Unless you have real evidence/proof you do not have Aspergers.


I full well know that you just dropped this bomb and ran because that has been your MO so far but I can't help myself...

Explain to me this 'proof' of which you speak. Has there been some new diagnositic test that proves without shadow of a doubt that one does or does not have Aspergers or ASD? Had the dx process moved beyond educated opinions and antecdotal evidence? How have I missed the wonderous breakthrough of incontrovertable proof?! Enlighten us oh all knowing, all seeing Dark Lord...



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03 Jun 2011, 9:23 am

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I'd feel broken and lost beyond hope. I don't know what I'd do.


The boys are just playing mean because they can rabbitears... do not take a single word of what they are saying to heart or as proof of anything.



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03 Jun 2011, 9:42 am

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I suspect most therapists, psychiatrists, and psychologists, have no idea how to do psychotherapy with an autistic person. They focus on the ways NTs relate to people, and that's far less effective than with autistic people. This is in fact one of the stumbling blocks I have with my therapist, and she knows I'm autistic.

So it can really be hit or miss, I guess.


My therapist just recommend I go to support groups so I can 'connect' with real people. I laughed.

What the hell is this 'connect' she's talking about? It is an actual feeling that provides some sort of emotional payoff. I do get that from talking to people. Making me do it more will not change the fact that my brain doesn't reward me with that little neurotransmitter doggie biscuit for talking to people. She cannot comprehend that because the concept is simply too foreign.

Doctors and therapists are very focused on helping kids and people on the spectum be more normal without understanding that it isn't just a need to practice more... there is a fundamental disconnect in comprehension. They do not KNOW how the autistic mind thinks. They assume. This is why Temple Grandin was lauded like the second coming... I remember the first time I listen to her speak I just said 'well... duh...' yet all the NT's are AMAZED at her insights. She is simply explaining how she thinks and how it is different. Really - no one ever thought to ASK an autistic patient these questions? Temple isn't the ONLY articulate, intelligent autistic out there.

How can doctors even recognise this difference in thinking for a dx if they are incapable of acknowledging that it even exists?