why are they so many AS fakers?

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Is this a competition?

The OP has provided zero evidence for his claim (or was it just a loaded question?) that there are "so many AS fakers".

Why would someone feel that there are many people faking AS? Is it because some are doing better than others?

Also, saying that if someone has a wife/girlfriend/job means that he/she can't possibly be an aspie is a load of BS.

Does that also mean some NTs are black and white too because I have heard of NTs saying someone else can't be autistic because they are nothing like their autistic students or nothing like their autistic child?

Nope, I have no proof, in as there is no such thing as a proof. All proofs are based on fundamental assumptions that ultimatly can have no proof.

Lets take a stack of bricks ten high. The top brick, #10 is founded on brick #9 and so on until we get to brick #1. Brick number one is floating in space? No, it's founded upon "what"? Ok then, "what" is founded on what? Ultimatly nothing is founded on anything that isn't founded on something which itself is founded on something else and so nothing is founded on anything, as it were.

Do I know the sky is blue? Do I know trees are made of wood? Do I know my post is accurate? Yes, as much as I know anything but just getting the information out is the point because as trees are' indeed made of wood, it's self evident to anyone, once they find out that trees are made of wood.

Yes I know, some NTs are the same.
Some of them are also very black and white thinking. This is a characteristic who doesn't occour exclusivly in autism, some NTs are also very narrow minded.

A neurologist who didn't have any clue about autism told me once that she doesn't think that I have autism, bacause I have feelings!

I always want to punch someone who made B&W thinking an autistic trait. To me it seems like an a**hole trait, a stupidity trait, a narrow minded trait, a judgmental trait. Of course I wouldn't actually punch them if I saw them but that is how I feel.

Well I think it's true.
Many autistic are very black and withe thinking and also Tony Attwood and other autism experts say this.
We can't just have "nice" traids and characteristics.
If this would be the case autism wouldn't even be in the ICD-10 and DSM-IV.

There are some people who think that autism is all black and white. It isn't all black and white. There are lots of factors that come into play and no two people on the spectrum have the same set of traits or symptoms. There are many different people all over the spectrum on here and AS also has a spectrum of its own, as well. It's also great that we're all so different on WP. Our individual differences from each other is what makes WP interesting.

I've been hurt by some B&W thinkers so I am very critical about it. Plus whenever I see it online from anyone it always looks bad and I can't see anything good about it. At least my autistic friends I have online seem better than all these people because they are not like them.

So to make it an autistic trait is an insult because they are like saying we are all stupid and judgmental and closed minded and jerks . Then people contradict it by saying we don't judge or that we tend to be open minded. But I think those two are just human traits and a myth that we all don't judge or that we are not closed minded because we're human.

I refuse to say I am black and white. Just because I am literal or concrete or some things are all or nothing for me does not mean I am black and white. I can see the gray and am capable of it when I see it and I can realize there are gray areas so no way can I be black and white. Even other people on the spectrum have pointed out something isn't black and white so that means they are also capable of seeing the shades of gray so they aren't black and white after all either.

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i am unaffected by what happens elsewhere in my life other than where i pay attention.



there is "satisfaction of the validity of estimations based on internal inquiry".
if you have a the urge to assert something you say, it is good to have a valid reason to think why what you say is correct.

"proof" is for me a sense that i am convinced of the validity my perceived results of my field tests of reality which empowers me to make further predictions and judgements as my interrogative speculation is enhanced.

the most secure foundation of belief is founded on one's satisfaction that one has coldly calculated the elemental aspects of one's predicament to a satisfactory degree to ensure progress in some aspect of understanding.

when i "know", i "know", and i can not be seduced to abandon my seat of understanding by erroneous external argumentative disqualifications based on sudden opinions derived from superficial appraisals of my findings.

Correct, in my opinion.

It's not like that.
It's a spectrum and some things about autism are advantages and some others are clear disatvantages and we are all different.
Not everything can be good and not everything is bad and sometimes it can be also good to stick to your opinion no matter what and sometimes it's bad. It depends.

When it comes to the black and white way of thinking, I have always looked at it as only related to the typical rigid adherence to rules. I've had to learn the hard way over many years that what people say are the rules, aren't necessarily what they want you to follow. In that respect, it's confusing but not impossible to learn that there are grey areas within rules.

As a kid I would hear the rules and think they had to be that way all the time. but yet when I see kids breaking them I would either think they weren't following the rules or think it must be okay to do because they didn't get in trouble. It was so confusing. It was either it was allowed or it wasn't. It couldn't be allowed and then allowed at times so I always got into trouble and I would rebel because I believed I was being discriminated and treated different, I was technically because the staff would make a bigger deal out of me and not care what the other kids were doing, it pissed my mother off too when they treated me that way. I also remember being in special ed full time, rules did not apply to all students because it was okay for some kids to do certain things and the rest of us were not allowed to do it. I just thought then that kid could do it because they were them and the rest of us couldn't do it because we are not them. So I guess I did understand the gray even back then.

for MMCOOl I would ask again - what have you learned or what do you thing now - through all of owr insanity?

Well I'm not really an expert on empathy but my guess would be he's thinking something like "crap, why did I ever start this thread "

Obviously, it didn't.

And as for being against people "faking" AS, think you need to find another cause to champion. This one's pretty silly.