Are Autistic Men More Likely to be Misogynistic?

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Autistic Men are More Misogynistic than Average?
I'm a male and I agree. 18%  18%  [ 28 ]
I'm a male and I disagree. 55%  55%  [ 86 ]
I'm a female and I agree. 12%  12%  [ 19 ]
I'm a female and I disagree. 15%  15%  [ 23 ]
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15 Mar 2015, 5:34 pm

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Xenophobia, to me , is caused by lack of actual, consistent contact with other ethnic groups.


Sadly that's not true. I have well travelled relatives who have lived in other countries who are very racist. It stems from arrogance or maybe a lack of self-esteem. They need to put others down and treat them like they are beneath them to make themselves feel better. Misogony, misandry and misanthropy stem from similar attitudes.



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15 Mar 2015, 5:39 pm

olympiadis wrote:
I could be wrong, but I think that the male rejection rate of aspie females is lower than the female rejection rate of aspie males.


Sometimes I think that men ask women out because
a) they want a girlfriend/sex
b) they feel that society expects them to initiate and therefore they should just be able to barge in and ask the woman out when she has shown no signs at all that she has any interest in them.

Whereas women will ask a man out if she thinks that he's too shy to ask, but gets a general inclination or has seen evidence that he fancies her back.

In short, women are more cautious, but men seem to ask anyone and everyone out. Of course the numbers of rejection will be higher.



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15 Mar 2015, 5:59 pm

hurtloam wrote:
olympiadis wrote:
I could be wrong, but I think that the male rejection rate of aspie females is lower than the female rejection rate of aspie males.


Sometimes I think that men ask women out because
a) they want a girlfriend/sex
b) they feel that society expects them to initiate and therefore they should just be able to barge in and ask the woman out when she has shown no signs at all that she has any interest in them.

Whereas women will ask a man out if she thinks that he's too shy to ask, but gets a general inclination or has seen evidence that he fancies her back.

In short, women are more cautious, but men seem to ask anyone and everyone out. Of course the numbers of rejection will be higher.


The fact that most women would only ask out a man if she thinks that he's too shy to ask is still an indication that she abides by the cultural norm that it should be the man who asks and therefore, the men are right that society expects them to initiate. That only re-affirms that belief.



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15 Mar 2015, 8:05 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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What is misogyny, eggsacly?
Do misogynistic men hate women?
If I hated men, what would be my thought process about them?


Misogyny = hatred of women
Misandry = hatred of men
Misanthropy = hatred of people in general


Misanthropy - Gotta love equality :wink:


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17 Mar 2015, 10:57 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Well, I've put some thought into it, and I think autistic men are more likely to be misogynistic. We often have a harder time dealing with women than NT men do, and as a result, that results in many of us developing misogynistic attitudes. I'll admit, when I was younger I had a fairly xenophobic attitude (racist, sexist, homophobic, you get the picture), and it took me a long time to shake it off.


I actually get along with women better than most NT men do. I'd consider myself a xenophile, the familiar is boring, I'm fascinated by the exotic. The exception would be with personality and attitudes, I like people who I can relate to and I agree with me. :P


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22 Mar 2015, 5:40 pm

I do not believe in gender roles. But I would rather see it as more likely for autistic people to be misanthropes than to be misogynistic, so treat people with negative opinion regardless of gender.



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22 Mar 2015, 6:36 pm

I could really see many people confusing us for misogynists or racists if we don't respond positively to them.
They probably find it easier to think something like that than to consider that they are just being judged on equal ground to any other human based on their behaviors.

There is a large amount of "special treatment" that is just assumed in our cultures, but is rarely spoken of.
I can think of many instances where a male-on-male transaction would be considered far too harsh had one of them been a female. As much as the term "equality" is thrown about, it's not really what our society wants or pushes for.
In most cases the lack of special treatment is just simply unacceptable.

For a person who actually treats all humans equally, with no special treatment, the world would be especially hostile and quick to label them as out of line.

I find it both strange and fascinating how any group is so harmed by the act of judging and/or generalizing, but yet they themselves usually respond by also judging and generalizing. It seems built into human nature. The moral high ground is normally determined by the majority or some form of popularity.

We find ourselves stuck in this environment where we are all surrounded by the tools by which we can hurt each other.
It is increasingly difficult to do anything without hurting someone else, which of course begs retaliation.
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30 Mar 2015, 1:56 am

Misogyny is natural for autistic men.



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30 Mar 2015, 12:01 pm

Gecko king wrote:
Misogyny is natural for autistic men.

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30 Mar 2015, 2:17 pm

I love women and I get tired of hearing assumptions that I don't. I'd never presume a woman hates all men because she gets frustrated from time to time.



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30 Mar 2015, 2:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe the "misogyny" expressed here on WrongPlanet is a microcosm of at least some of the "general society."

Much of it is borne out of frustration with not obtaining the "ideal mate." It is ego-driven.

This is universal, rather than a particularly "autistic" characteristic.

Alas, it is a "human" characteristic.



I strongly disagree. I see a lot of misogyny AND misandry here on WrongPlanet and I yes, I do think that autistic men and women have a far more difficulty relating to and getting along with members of the opposite sex than most NTs. Because of this, they tend to distrust and even resent the opposite sex. There's a lot more to it than just romantic/sexual frustration! I'm male and all my life I've had problems getting along with adult women even when I was a little boy and had no interest in girls that way. Men and women do tend to see the world very differently and communicate on a different *wavelength* so-to-speak. I have met a few women who I can really relate to and who actually like me a person, but they are exceedingly rare.....Or at least very hard to find since they tend to be recluses who I don't run into in everyday life(online or offline).



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30 Mar 2015, 3:11 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
I'm male and all my life I've had problems getting along with adult women even when I was a little boy and had no interest in girls that way. Men and women do tend to see the world very differently and communicate on a different *wavelength* so-to-speak.

I had issues with adult women as a little boy too, only for a different reason. I didn't like being touched by people other than family members and very close friends. Due to men usually being touch-averse with most people other than their wives and children, they didn't touch me very much either. It was limited to momentary pats on the shoulder (which I could tolerate easily) or handshakes. Plus, as I got older, I started finding handshakes pretty flattering, since I knew they're a common greeting between two adults, which made me feel mature.

Women always had more freedom to touch people than men did, which worked against me. Many a time, adult women would pet my head (which I associated with petting a dog), grab my hand, lightly rub my arm, or even hug me. I hated all that, but wasn't allowed to complain, lest I get in trouble with my parents for being rude. Lucky for me, adult women became a lot less handsy with me, for obvious reasons, as I started to approach the age of puberty (and maybe also outgrew the cuteness that prompted the touching). Now, I enjoy it when a strange woman touches me (especially when I'm drunk), and strange men don't do it at all outside of handshakes.



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30 Mar 2015, 3:17 pm

androbot01 wrote:
I notice a lot of hostility and frustration directed from autistic men towards women on this forum. I wonder if the misogyny is average when compared to norms or if autistic men are more antagonistic to women.
I'm thinking that perhaps autistic men scapegoat women as being the problem, when actually it is their own social skills or impatience that are to blame.


No mechanism exists to accurately determine the level of any particular attitude amongst male Autists.
As the information this thread is intended to discuss cannot be determined, all discussion herein is mere speculation.



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30 Mar 2015, 3:24 pm

slave wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
I notice a lot of hostility and frustration directed from autistic men towards women on this forum. I wonder if the misogyny is average when compared to norms or if autistic men are more antagonistic to women.
I'm thinking that perhaps autistic men scapegoat women as being the problem, when actually it is their own social skills or impatience that are to blame.


No mechanism exists to accurately determine the level of any particular attitude amongst male Autists.
As the information this thread is intended to discuss cannot be determined, all discussion herein is mere speculation.


So true...and I remain shocked that this thread is still alive. It seems the embarrassing ones go on forever.



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30 Mar 2015, 7:20 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I'm too tired to read the whole thread ATM, but perhaps a mitigating factor is that, misogyny being a part of the culture, that people w/ASD will be less likely to buy into it by default (or even realize that it exists in culture (or that there is a culture, for that matter)).


The problem with this is that it often turns out to not be true.



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30 Mar 2015, 10:52 pm

I'm GQ and I disagree. (would be nice if that was an option but I guess not bc we're not that common xD)