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11 Dec 2017, 11:54 am

There's no excuse for bullying.

If you meet someone with agoraphobia, and tell them that their house comes equipped with a door, therefore they can go outside, and the person suffering from agoraphobia says "thank you, but I'm still afraid to go outside", and then you and your friends repeatedly tell the person that their house has a door, and they repeatedly tell you they're still afraid to go outside . . . it's not okay to start bullying the person who has agoraphobia, along with all of your friends.

https://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbully ... index.html

If you are a member who is tired of ASS-P or this thread, then you are free to stop reading ASS-P's posts and threads. Bullying is inappropriate.



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11 Dec 2017, 11:59 am

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
@XFilesGeek: Then I guess there's an emotional component to this that really needs to be dealt with. Thanks for the background.


I am a significant special needs person. More disabled than the average person, both physically and mentally. I'm basically an invalid in many ways. So it's not like I don't know what it's like.

I have only recently started reading ASS-P's posts, deciding I have been ignoring him too long, with the intention of trying to help. And he already basically has me pulling my hair out in frustration.

So that's where the emotion comes from. Not because I am some heartless jerk who likes to gang up on other disabled people. I know you don't know any of that, so I'm not trying to get on your case, I'm just trying to set the record straight.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:06 pm

plainjain wrote:
There's no excuse for bullying.
If you meet someone with agoraphobia, and tell them that their house comes equipped with a door, therefore they can go outside, and the person suffering from agoraphobia says "thank you, but I'm still afraid to go outside", and then you and your friends repeatedly tell the person that their house has a door, and they repeatedly tell you they're still afraid to go outside . . . it's not okay to start bullying the person who has agoraphobia, along with all of your friends.

https://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbully ... index.html

If you are a member who is tired of ASS-P or this thread, then you are free to stop reading ASS-P's posts and threads. Bullying is inappropriate.


No one is bullying ASS-P. No one has said anything worthy of getting a warning from the moderators for bullying that I have seen. Whereas ASS-P has been bullying others, calling them out, outright insulting them, calling them "Motherf***er" etc. People who are trying to help him are just getting very frustrated and rightfully so.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:09 pm

^ Yeah, no one is being bullied.


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11 Dec 2017, 12:13 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
^ Yeah, no one is being bullied.


Except perhaps Goldfish21 v

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...Anyrhing Goldfish has to say about me is meaningless! Again, he obsessed over what he thought about dimiing, but didn't do, and talks as if that means something :evil: ...
If I could just get a little (non-financial) help :cry: ...
This is another thing meant as a Reply, but I pushed the wring button :( ...

viewtopic.php?t=35753



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11 Dec 2017, 12:15 pm

So why can't someone in the US meet up with ASS-P or at least text him or make phone calls or whatever..? This would be so much more helpful.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:17 pm

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So why can't someone in the US meet up with ASS-P or at least text him or make phone calls or whatever..? This would be so much more helpful.


I don't live anywhere near him, and, personally speaking, I don't meet-up with, nor involve myself in the affairs of, internet strangers. Safety is an issue.

I imagine other people feel the same way.


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11 Dec 2017, 12:21 pm

anti_gone wrote:
So why can't someone in the US meet up with ASS-P or at least text him or make phone calls or whatever..? This would be so much more helpful.


That depends on how easy you think it is for some autistic person to drive or take a bus there there for an unknown length of time to meet a total stranger. Are they supposed to drive or bus all the way there and then back again after a few hours, or are they supposed to get a motel room? I don't know, do you?

As for texting him or make phone calls to him, what's stopping you from doing that? Surely you're not going to ask that of others if you're not going to do it yourself are you?



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11 Dec 2017, 12:21 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:
anti_gone wrote:
So why can't someone in the US meet up with ASS-P or at least text him or make phone calls or whatever..? This would be so much more helpful.


I don't live anywhere near him, and, personally speaking, I don't meet-up with, nor involve myself in the affairs of, internet strangers. Safety is an issue.

I imagine other people feel the same way.


Private messages (via this message board maybe?) could be a start, I see no safety issues in them. Also it's possible to meet people in public places. Of course not everyone wants to do something like that, that's totally fine. Just for the ones here being very frustrated it might be more effective than just writing in this thread.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:23 pm

EzraS wrote:
anti_gone wrote:
So why can't someone in the US meet up with ASS-P or at least text him or make phone calls or whatever..? This would be so much more helpful.


That depends on how easy you think it is for some autistic person to drive or take a bus there there for an unknown length of time. Are they supposed to drive or bus all the way there and then back again after a few hours, or are they supposed to get a motel room? I don't know, do you?

As for texting him or make phone calls to him, what's stopping you from doing that? Surely you're not going to ask that of others if you're not going to do it yourself are you?


What's stopping me? That I don't know anything about the situation in the US and that my English is - in my opinion - just not good enough. So that's an additional barrier. So I don't think I could help him that much. Also, I haven't read the whole thread here and am not as involved as many here.

But I'm going to think about it.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:28 pm

anti_gone wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
anti_gone wrote:
So why can't someone in the US meet up with ASS-P or at least text him or make phone calls or whatever..? This would be so much more helpful.


I don't live anywhere near him, and, personally speaking, I don't meet-up with, nor involve myself in the affairs of, internet strangers. Safety is an issue.

I imagine other people feel the same way.


Private messages could be a start, I see no safety issues in them.


Okay then you start private messaging him. Why don't you start off by telling him you'll agree to give him your name and home address so that he can have his stuff shipped to you, because that's what he's also asking for.

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Also it's possible to meet people in public places. Of course not everyone wants to do something like that, that's totally fine. Just for the ones here being very frustrated it might be more effective than just writing in this thread.


Again, how far are they supposed to travel? And how long are they supposed to be there?

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What's stopping me? That I don't know anything about the situation in the US and that my English is - in my opinion - just not good enough. So that's an additional barrier. So I don't think I could help him that much. Also, I haven't read the whole thread here and am not as involved as many here.

But I'm going to think about it.


It's always much easier to say something than do actually something. Always easier to tell others how simple it is.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:30 pm

Do yourself a favor: don't make an impulsive decision.

It's laudable to want to help someone. It's a very nice thing to do.

However, It is quite expensive to go from a country across the Atlantic Ocean from the United States. And ASS-P's on the west coast of the US. It would cost at least a couple of thousand dollars for you to undertake this journey. Probably more.

I have made impulsive decisions in the past myself; and they haven't paid off.

I believe ASS-P needs our support on this Forum---but he has to advocate for himself, too.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:38 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do yourself a favor: don't make an impulsive decision.

It's laudable to want to help someone. It's a very nice thing to do.

However, It is quite expensive to go from a country across the Atlantic Ocean from the United States. And ASS-P's on the west coast of the US. It would cost at least a couple of thousand dollars for you to undertake this journey. Probably more.

I have made impulsive decisions in the past myself; and they haven't paid off.

I believe ASS-P needs our support on this Forum---but he has to advocate for himself, too.


I think you misunderstood me 8O

I would never do that, no worries :lol: That would be totally absurd.

I just meant the private messages thing, that I'm going to think about that.

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It's always much easier to say something than do actually something. Always easier to tell others how simple it is.

I have exchanged forum PMs with many people in German message boards, usually about health topics I know a lot about but sometimes also about university and stuff like that. Forum private messages are a totally normal thing. I also emailed with one person and I skyped with some people (even though that was for a user study). In my teens, I also met people from message boards (only in my home country, not from abroad).

But as I said, I haven't even read the whole thread and I'm not as much invested and involved in this thing as you are. And I don't think I could help him, actually I don't even get half the stuff that is written about here about the US healthcare system. So I'm quite sure I am NOT the right person for this in this case.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:40 pm

Never hurts to try.....maybe something good will come of it.



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11 Dec 2017, 12:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Do yourself a favor: don't make an impulsive decision.

It's laudable to want to help someone. It's a very nice thing to do.

However, It is quite expensive to go from a country across the Atlantic Ocean from the United States. And ASS-P's on the west coast of the US. It would cost at least a couple of thousand dollars for you to undertake this journey. Probably more.

I have made impulsive decisions in the past myself; and they haven't paid off.

I believe ASS-P needs our support on this Forum---but he has to advocate for himself, too.


He's gotten tons of support and advice. And what's he done with it? As X-files has pointed out, this has been going on and on for 10 years based on his 2007 start date.

As for someone being there, he's in a care facility being helped by people. It's not like he's stranded alone on a desert island.

Maybe you should call the place he's at and tell them your concerns about his needs/wants and ask for advice about what can be done from the people who look after him in person. You might get some interesting insights.

kraftiekortie wrote:
Never hurts to try.....maybe something good will come of it.


So what are you willing to try?



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11 Dec 2017, 12:50 pm

anti_gone wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Do yourself a favor: don't make an impulsive decision.

It's laudable to want to help someone. It's a very nice thing to do.

However, It is quite expensive to go from a country across the Atlantic Ocean from the United States. And ASS-P's on the west coast of the US. It would cost at least a couple of thousand dollars for you to undertake this journey. Probably more.

I have made impulsive decisions in the past myself; and they haven't paid off.

I believe ASS-P needs our support on this Forum---but he has to advocate for himself, too.


I think you misunderstood me 8O

I would never do that, no worries :lol: That would be totally absurd.

I just meant the private messages thing, that I'm going to think about that.

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It's always much easier to say something than do actually something. Always easier to tell others how simple it is.

I have exchanged forum PMs with many people in German message boards, usually about health topics I know a lot about but sometimes also about university and stuff like that. Forum private messages are a totally normal thing. I also emailed with one person and I skyped with some people (even though that was for a user study). In my teens, I also met people from message boards (only in my home country, not from abroad).

But as I said, I haven't even read the whole thread and I'm not as much invested and involved in this thing as you are. And I don't think I could help him, actually I don't even get half the stuff that is written about here about the US healthcare system. So I'm quite sure I am NOT the right person for this in this case.


I don't have anything invested. I just bothered to read what was going on, before I started offering my opinions. All you're offering right now is lip service based on not knowing anything about the situation. I'm not trying to be mean, but you're not really being helpful.