why are self-diagnosed aspies considered "posers?"

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09 Jul 2012, 6:32 pm

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I first noticed aspergers in myself about a year ago and now i'm starting to see that a lot of self-diagnosed aspies are not taken seriously. apparently, if you self diagnose, a lot of "real" aspies are pissed at that. WTF? what about people who grew up before aspergers was widely known about? what about the millions of people who are uninsured and can't aford to see a doctor to diagnose them?
i personally have never quite felt like i fit in anywhere growing up, was made fun of all 12 years of school, have always had trouble showing physical affection, have always loved computer games, have always struggled to keep jobs. had all of these traits long before i even heard of aspergers. i am 27, and am too old to be listed on my parent's insurance. i don't go to the doctor because i can't afford it.
so because of this, i'm not supposed to call myself an aspie when i know that i am, lest i be labeled "poser?" seriously?... :wall:


There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.



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09 Jul 2012, 7:13 pm

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There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.



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09 Jul 2012, 7:16 pm

Here's an article from Cracked. It's the first entry.

6 Real Diseases That Have Somehow Become Trendy | Cracked.com



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09 Jul 2012, 7:21 pm

Palakol wrote:
Here's an article from Cracked. It's the first entry.

6 Real Diseases That Have Somehow Become Trendy | Cracked.com


Not really a credible source it it !



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09 Jul 2012, 7:23 pm

Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


Verdandi is right and sometimes seeking a diagnosis can be dangerous: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp4756330 ... t=#4756330



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09 Jul 2012, 7:24 pm

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davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


There is therapy...it involves meditation, there is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and you can read up on "The Theory of Mind".

Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.



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09 Jul 2012, 7:51 pm

davidgolfpro wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


There is therapy...it involves meditation, there is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and you can read up on "The Theory of Mind".

Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.


Since when is meditation dangerous??? or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy??? (lacking an available therapist, I'm finding Nick Dubin's Asperger Syndrome and Anxiety: A Guide to Successful Stress Management Kindle Edition. very helpful indeed.)

I seriously doubt anyone would live like an Aspie for long if they aren't one -- It would be as difficult as an Aspie trying to live like an NT.


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09 Jul 2012, 7:56 pm

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davidgolfpro wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


There is therapy...it involves meditation, there is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and you can read up on "The Theory of Mind".

Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.


Since when is meditation dangerous??? or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy??? (lacking an available therapist, I'm finding Nick Dubin's Asperger Syndrome and Anxiety: A Guide to Successful Stress Management Kindle Edition. very helpful indeed.)

I seriously doubt anyone would live like an Aspie for long if they aren't one -- It would be as difficult as an Aspie trying to live like an NT.


No, I did not state that meditiation is dangerous, but self -diagnosing is. Wow, you also take things literally....lol.



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09 Jul 2012, 8:33 pm

davidgolfpro wrote:
CuriousKitten wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


There is therapy...it involves meditation, there is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and you can read up on "The Theory of Mind".

Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.


Since when is meditation dangerous??? or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy??? (lacking an available therapist, I'm finding Nick Dubin's Asperger Syndrome and Anxiety: A Guide to Successful Stress Management Kindle Edition. very helpful indeed.)

I seriously doubt anyone would live like an Aspie for long if they aren't one -- It would be as difficult as an Aspie trying to live like an NT.


No, I did not state that meditiation is dangerous, but self -diagnosing is. Wow, you also take things literally....lol.


You still haven't explained how self-diagnosing Asperger's could be dangerous? I clearly didn't do it for attention because, other than posting on WrongPlanet. I"ve only told my closest family and friends -- I could count them on one hand. Even my blog, which has not yet been set public, is under a pen name.

Based on my theory that I'm an Aspie, I've made a weighted blanket, which does help me sleep. I also have taken to deliberately stimming in private to reduce my stress level -- that is helping me face the ordeal of job hunting and probably moving away from the small town I've disliked since we move here when I was 15. Realizing that I have a problem with change and the newness of what it brings, I'm using Google Maps and Streetview to make new locations familiar before I even have to venture out the door for the interview. How is any of this dangerous?

Frankly, the only danger I see is the possibility that I may loose my balance while spinning and hurt myself, but I am very careful to do it by the kitchen sink so I have something sturdy to hold on to when I stop twirling or otherwise loose my balance.


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09 Jul 2012, 8:48 pm

haha.. that is not danger!
how is it dmging when u know whats up with you? whats that gonna do?
sum ppl are a bit aspie, other a lot... dr has no clue where to draw the line
we draw lines fine as long as it helps with life

i see 1 prob: when ur like having all sorts of diseases.. say read about warts.. oh f**k I got warts! but then aspie fakeness is not yer biggest prob hehe
posers ftl!
if your not 1, dont be so senstitive about it



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09 Jul 2012, 9:32 pm

davidgolfpro wrote:
CuriousKitten wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


There is therapy...it involves meditation, there is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and you can read up on "The Theory of Mind".

Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.


Since when is meditation dangerous??? or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy??? (lacking an available therapist, I'm finding Nick Dubin's Asperger Syndrome and Anxiety: A Guide to Successful Stress Management Kindle Edition. very helpful indeed.)

I seriously doubt anyone would live like an Aspie for long if they aren't one -- It would be as difficult as an Aspie trying to live like an NT.


No, I did not state that meditiation is dangerous, but self -diagnosing is. Wow, you also take things literally....lol.



Well that's a relief! I started meditating at a very early age and didn't think I needed a Rx. Maybe that's why it's usually recommend a doctor be consulted before starting any exercise program because meditation may be involved and I was doing yoga and martial arts and am Buddhist too, and those things tend to incorporate meditation without the guidance of a licensed psychologist, I hope doing that didn't "negatively alter" my mind. (Don't mind me, I'm just feeling snarky.)



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09 Jul 2012, 11:18 pm

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It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Is self-diagnosed neurotypicality equally dangerous then?

Considering the not fully developed science in this field, professional diagnosis seems even more dangerous, since it might be wrong and lead to faulty treatment, while self-diagnosis does not.

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Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one

Is there a guideline for living as something? I thought everyone just "was".



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09 Jul 2012, 11:30 pm

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Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


There is therapy...it involves meditation, there is Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and you can read up on "The Theory of Mind".

Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.


How on Earth would it alter your mind negatively? This claim sounds about as rigorous as phrenology.

Perhaps you have links to studies showing that people who self-diagnose themselves with autism have had bad things happen to them? You have some kind of basis for this reasoning beyond just "I think this is how it should be?"

One thing about me, that may be true about many of us, is that if I hadn't investigated the possibility of autism (and ADHD) personally, I never would have received any assistance.

I just can't take claims that it's potentially dangerous seriously.



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10 Jul 2012, 2:40 am

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Self-diagnosis is dangerous, as you shouldn't live like an Aspie if you aren't one..... this would alter your mind...negatively.


I don't even know what it means to "live like an aspie". I'm living the same way I've been all along whether I think I have aspergers or not.

If you are an adult how can you even get diagnosed without self diagnosis? As a child you might be forced to see people because of problems in school but as an adult you generally wouldn't be going to a psychologist/psychiatrist unless you strongly suspected or knew something was wrong.



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10 Jul 2012, 5:32 am

Verdandi wrote:
davidgolfpro wrote:
There are ways to get diagnosed for free,please get diagnosed and invest in it , if free isn't available.

It's not wise to self-diagnosis and to be honest it's dangerous.

Good luck.


What is the danger? We're not talking about heart disease or cancer, but about a condition that doesn't really have any treatments for adults.


The danger clearly is that you would if you self-diagnose yourself, become depressed, imagine you are Autistic and therefore live your life accordingly, missing out on the right career, friends, etc.......

Once again people take "dangerous" too literally,, it's black or white of course. :)



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10 Jul 2012, 6:25 am

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The danger clearly is that you would if you self-diagnose yourself, become depressed, imagine you are Autistic and therefore live your life accordingly, missing out on the right career, friends, etc.......



I can see that if the above were to happen that could be a problem...

However, this assumes that self-diagnosis will be followed by depression, it also assumes that those with autism have to restrict their lives and careers. I do not think that either of these things will necessarily happen, they might for some, but certainly not for everyone.

From what I've seen posted on WP some people are already depressed, or anxious or experiencing sensory problems (or all 3), and potentially because of this, are already restricting their lives or struggling to function at their best. The underlying reason for this is actually because they in fact are on the autism spectrum but it is undiagnosed. For these people a self-diagnosis or an official diagnosis may be very helpful as they finally can understand the root cause of their depression and anxiety and as a result learn how to function better. I think therefore it is possible for self-diagnosis to be a very positive experience.

My personal decision is to seek professional diagnosis, as I am aware that in my case there are a number of possible causes to my depression.

I have experienced both depression and anxiety for a number of years, and already nearly had a breakdown because of it, long before I had even ever heard of women with aspergers or high functioning autism.

For me, the possibility I might be on the autism spectrum has actually made me feel less depressed, more hopeful, and more positive, I feel I can potentially better understand myself and function better.

While I wait for official assessment I'm also looking into techniques that may help people with autism make suitable adaptations to help them live fulfilling lives, to see if these techniques can help me too.

If I had not done an amount of self-diagnosis, for example, taking online tests, reading books on autism and aspergers etc, I would not have known to have sought referral for official diagnosis. Aspergers may be particularly under diagnosed in older women so it would not be unusual for someone like me to slip under the radar.

In my case a degree of self-diagnosis has been a very positive thing, but as I remain uncertain if I have it or not, I also feel it necessary to seek official confirmation.