Page 18 of 32 [ 505 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 ... 32  Next

drwho222
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 5 Jul 2017
Age: 1949
Gender: Male
Posts: 502

11 Dec 2017, 6:18 pm

Also to the Euros here who are asking "Why cant someone go to him?" are you people really aware of how BIG the USA is? I know GF understands this, being a Canadian.



goldfish21
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

11 Dec 2017, 6:25 pm

drwho222 wrote:
Reply to Everybody:

Firstly, I agree 100% with everything Goldfish and Ezra have said in this thread. They said pretty much everything I wanted to say, except for this. This is a public internet discussion forum, not a corner on which to panhandle. Its inappropriate to ask for *ANY* favors from anybody here. I live in Chicago, so I see panhandlers every day. And they usually come equiped with a cardboard sign with a sob story on them. And thats just what ASS P posts at the end of EVERY post. His "Sig message" is the online equivelent of just such a card board sign.

NOBODY here owes ANYBODY ANYTHING. In spite of this, people HAVE offered him real physical help, most notably OliveOilMom. Plainjane, I was the one who posted the post saying that no one here was stealing anything from ASS P. But I see you didnt read the rest of the post. Track it through my profile and do so, thanks.


To an extent, you make sense. However, ASS-P has stated that he is not asking for money or financial help. He's asking for "help," but just isn't quite able to articulate what sort of help he's ACTUALLY asking for. I mean, he asks for help getting around.. people post local resources.. then in another follow up post he says he can't leave the building to go to the library to try to learn anything.. so then what was the point of asking for help with transportation in the first place? I'm not sure ASS-P even knows himself.

It would be nice if he could very clearly state what it is he wants help with so that if someone is able and willing to help him do something that it could be done. I don't really think he honestly wants or expects help. I don't think he's intending to panhandle, either. I think his posts are more comparable to the guy standing on a street corner ranting and raving about anything, everything, and nothing all at the same time just because he's frustrated and it's his outlet.


_________________
No :heart: for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.


drwho222
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 5 Jul 2017
Age: 1949
Gender: Male
Posts: 502

11 Dec 2017, 6:28 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
drwho222 wrote:
I think his posts are more comparable to the guy standing on a street corner ranting and raving about anything, everything, and nothing all at the same time just because he's frustrated and it's his outlet.


We get plenty of these in Chi Town too, and I think it fits well.



ASS-P
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Feb 2007
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,980
Location: Santa Cruz , CA , USA

11 Dec 2017, 7:30 pm

... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah. :roll:
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help :( . You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it :cry: .
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that :( . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives :( .








goldfish21"]

ASS-P wrote:
...I do have basic meals at the rehab place -
Again, Goldfishh turns his thinking he'd contact me and not doing so into " I helped him and he didn't do right " :x !
With my physical difficulty in getting out, my rules conflict with the rehab on doing so, and as far down as I am :evil: (and not having much tech) it is harder for me to get things done for the general " you " :( .


Why are you carrying on about what I said as if it has any relevance whatsoever to you making forward progress?

You once lived close enough to me that I COULD HAVE driven some survival supplies to you. BUT, you were so resistant to help or trying to do anything for yourself whatsoever that it would have been a complete waste of time & money for me to cross an international border and drive about 3 hours each way. (burning about $80 in fuel at today's prices) You were so miserable and shooting down any and every suggestion of assistance back then, just as you are now, that it would have been an exercise in absolute futility. Those resources & gas money are better spent helping someone who's receptive to help and actually does something with advice or resources offered. Period. End of story.

Ok, so you're incapable of leaving the building where you are currently living in order to go to a library or any other place for help. Now that you've made that clear, what are you expecting of people on this forum to do for you? Fly, or drive, to Santa Cruz and come be by your bedside for you to ignore their advice in person? Be realistic, ASS-P. As EzraS has pointed out, you're not looking for advice or help at all, you're asking for someone to essentially adopt you and hold your hand through every moment of accomplishing anything for yourself & that's a completely unreasonable expectation of the sort of help that you're going to be able to solicit from an internet forum of strangers living all over the globe. Be realistic about what you're asking for, and then be appreciative of all the advice you're given, and then DO something with some of it to better yourself. Otherwise, do as you've always done and get as you've always got... a few years from now you'll be making the same posts as you are right now just as you were a few years ago.[/quote]


_________________
Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


goldfish21
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

11 Dec 2017, 7:51 pm

ASS-P wrote:
... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah. :roll:
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help :( . You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it :cry: .
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that :( . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives :( .


Thinking of contacting you and then not? No. Just like in this thread I was in near constant contact with you via this forum. YOU were so determined not to do a damned thing to help yourself any that it would have been a complete waste of time & resources for me to make the drive to try to track you down and give you things you wouldn't have appreciated or utilized. How is that not crystal clear?

Uh, WTF? You've asked for help over and over and over in this thread and SEVERAL people have replied to your posts with VERY HELPFUL suggestions & advice and yet you continue to respond and say that you never received any help and woe is me if you could just get a little help. What do you call ALL of the helpful advice, suggestions, and recommendations people have made in this very thread? Proves my point exactly, really. You ask for help, people offer it, you refuse it, complain, and ask for help as if no one had even made a response & offered you any assistance at all! Hell, you're staying in some taxpayer or charity funded rehab place that's staffed with all kinds of people helping you with a roof over your head, meals to eat, a place to sleep, a place to heal & rehabilitate yourself - what do you call ALL of that around the clock help besides "HELP"? Whether the people on this forum coming to your aid with advice, or the people all around you providing you with the necessities of life, you refuse to acknowledge that you're CONSTANTLY being given all kinds of help & pretending that no one is helping you at all - and from your own posts and the replies to this thread, that's complete and utter BS.

You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. There are literally COUNTLESS people out there in worse situations than you that would be genuinely APPRECIATIVE of even ONE TENTH the help you're being given right now! There's a reason that the phrase "God helps those who help themselves," exists. Anyone who receives help & makes the most of it will be given even more help by others. People who act like you do towards all the help they're given or offered don't deserve to keep getting the attention of others if your intention is to nothing with it but shoot it down and whine and complain that "I've never really received it :cry: " when it's crystal clear to all who are reading this that people ALL AROUND THE WORLD are offering their help to you.

Sorry, but there's just no pleasant way to communicate those points to you. Hopefully getting a bit of a blast makes you realize just how lucky you are & how good you have it with all the social system resources and online advice you keep getting despite your absolutely inexcusable miserable reaction to it.

edit: This was my 5,000th post. Yay! :D


_________________
No :heart: for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.


ASS-P
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Feb 2007
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,980
Location: Santa Cruz , CA , USA

11 Dec 2017, 8:46 pm

...I received some could-be-helpful suggestions - not from you - and I pointed out how I could use some help carding them out.
You claim that you were going to help, but you decided not to...And now you endlessly berate my about how no good I am, and speak of what I allegedly did as if you knew anyrhing about it.
Whatevah :roll:.





fish21"]

ASS-P wrote:
... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah. :roll:
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help :( . You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it :cry: .
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that :( . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives :( .


Thinking of contacting you and then not? No. Just like in this thread I was in near constant contact with you via this forum. YOU were so determined not to do a damned thing to help yourself any that it would have been a complete waste of time & resources for me to make the drive to try to track you down and give you things you wouldn't have appreciated or utilized. How is that not crystal clear?

Uh, WTF? You've asked for help over and over and over in this thread and SEVERAL people have replied to your posts with VERY HELPFUL suggestions & advice and yet you continue to respond and say that you never received any help and woe is me if you could just get a little help. What do you call ALL of the helpful advice, suggestions, and recommendations people have made in this very thread? Proves my point exactly, really. You ask for help, people offer it, you refuse it, complain, and ask for help as if no one had even made a response & offered you any assistance at all! Hell, you're staying in some taxpayer or charity funded rehab place that's staffed with all kinds of people helping you with a roof over your head, meals to eat, a place to sleep, a place to heal & rehabilitate yourself - what do you call ALL of that around the clock help besides "HELP"? Whether the people on this forum coming to your aid with advice, or the people all around you providing you with the necessities of life, you refuse to acknowledge that you're CONSTANTLY being given all kinds of help & pretending that no one is helping you at all - and from your own posts and the replies to this thread, that's complete and utter BS.

You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. There are literally COUNTLESS people out there in worse situations than you that would be genuinely APPRECIATIVE of even ONE TENTH the help you're being given right now! There's a reason that the phrase "God helps those who help themselves," exists. Anyone who receives help & makes the most of it will be given even more help by others. People who act like you do towards all the help they're given or offered don't deserve to keep getting the attention of others if your intention is to nothing with it but shoot it down and whine and complain that "I've never really received it :cry: " when it's crystal clear to all who are reading this that people ALL AROUND THE WORLD are offering their help to you.

Sorry, but there's just no pleasant way to communicate those points to you. Hopefully getting a bit of a blast makes you realize just how lucky you are & how good you have it with all the social system resources and online advice you keep getting despite your absolutely inexcusable miserable reaction to it.

edit: This was my 5,000th post. Yay! :D[/quote]


_________________
Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

11 Dec 2017, 8:47 pm

He's "lucky" in some respects, and "unlucky" in others.

He's had some "knocks" in his life.

But now....its time to think for the future, rather than regret the past.

Easier said than done, I know......but I honestly think this is the only solution.



goldfish21
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

11 Dec 2017, 9:08 pm

ASS-P wrote:
...I received some could-be-helpful suggestions - not from you - and I pointed out how I could use some help carding them out.
You claim that you were going to help, but you decided not to...And now you endlessly berate my about how no good I am, and speak of what I allegedly did as if you knew anyrhing about it.
Whatevah :roll:.


Several people have posted helpful advice, yet you continue to say you have asked for help and received no help at all. It's little wonder people grow tired of your responses and stop posting helpful advice. Every single time it falls on deaf ears! My deaf friends literally listen better than you do.

You're correct. I could have done something, but I decided not to because you are UNHELPABLE. Anything anyone says or does to try to help you is met with the most ridiculous negativity and resistance.


_________________
No :heart: for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.


redrobin62
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Apr 2012
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,009
Location: Seattle, WA

11 Dec 2017, 9:11 pm

Out of curiosity, I'd like to call the nursing home ASS-P is in and ask what kind of help he's receiving. Two things will happen, though:

1. They'll invoke HIPPA privacy laws and say I'm not entitled to that kind of info because I'm not a relative.
2. I've worked in nursing homes for years and I am CONFIDENT they are giving him the help and resources he needs.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

11 Dec 2017, 9:15 pm

He’s probably in an “extended care facility.” My wife is a nurse in one.

Yep....they’ll mention HIPAA.

He’s probably only receiving basic care—some of it delivered in an unfriendly manner.

It’s still better than the streets.



redrobin62
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Apr 2012
Age: 64
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,009
Location: Seattle, WA

11 Dec 2017, 9:23 pm

Re: ASS-P's Extended Care Facility.

1. Is there a curfew?
2. Is he free to come and go as he pleases?
3. Why is it "hard" to leave?
4. Does he need crutches? Scooter? Wheelchair?
5. Can he really and truly pay for public transport?
6. Since his phone can't make phone calls, can he use the ECF's phone?
7. Besides a bed, medication and mental health care, is he receiving social services?
8. Is he sharing a room or is it his own room?
9. Does he have space for digitized photos of his brother?
10. How is it he receives SSDI every week?
11. Which ECF is it?



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

11 Dec 2017, 9:41 pm

1. There's probably a curfew
2. I would say only "somewhat."
3. Because they don't want to get sued, probably
4. Crutches, definitely. Wheelchair/scooter: probably. He's had more than half his total toes amputated.
5. He could. He gets SSDI. He goes out and buys things.
6. I don't know. Probably only in an emergency.
7. I'm not sure. Maybe basic social services. Maybe more than basic.
8. He shares a room with somebody with some sort of "dementia" The guy is paranoid, and yells at him.
9. If he has a Gmail account, he can get pictures....definitely.
10. I really have no idea.
11. I don't know.



cubedemon6073
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Nov 2008
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,960

11 Dec 2017, 10:23 pm

Where is his care facility at?



cubedemon6073
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Nov 2008
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,960

11 Dec 2017, 10:33 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
... Again, Goldfish, you turn your thinking if contacting me but not doing so into a " Well, you were no good anyway ! ". Whatevah. :roll:
I can get out, but it's hard, both with rules and the crippled-ness, and I could use help :( . You jyst dislike me and don't wish to help, so why you endlessly repeat how NG you think I am...Wharever.
I have asked for help. I've never really received it :cry: .
If I could just get a little help.
IncidenfalIncidentally, I was bit at for commenting about the percentage of money. taken from me that was from stolen phones, with me being blamed for that :( . The phones that were stolen were in normal, secure, places, I faced determined theives :( .


Thinking of contacting you and then not? No. Just like in this thread I was in near constant contact with you via this forum. YOU were so determined not to do a damned thing to help yourself any that it would have been a complete waste of time & resources for me to make the drive to try to track you down and give you things you wouldn't have appreciated or utilized. How is that not crystal clear?

Uh, WTF? You've asked for help over and over and over in this thread and SEVERAL people have replied to your posts with VERY HELPFUL suggestions & advice and yet you continue to respond and say that you never received any help and woe is me if you could just get a little help. What do you call ALL of the helpful advice, suggestions, and recommendations people have made in this very thread? Proves my point exactly, really. You ask for help, people offer it, you refuse it, complain, and ask for help as if no one had even made a response & offered you any assistance at all! Hell, you're staying in some taxpayer or charity funded rehab place that's staffed with all kinds of people helping you with a roof over your head, meals to eat, a place to sleep, a place to heal & rehabilitate yourself - what do you call ALL of that around the clock help besides "HELP"? Whether the people on this forum coming to your aid with advice, or the people all around you providing you with the necessities of life, you refuse to acknowledge that you're CONSTANTLY being given all kinds of help & pretending that no one is helping you at all - and from your own posts and the replies to this thread, that's complete and utter BS.

You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. There are literally COUNTLESS people out there in worse situations than you that would be genuinely APPRECIATIVE of even ONE TENTH the help you're being given right now! There's a reason that the phrase "God helps those who help themselves," exists. Anyone who receives help & makes the most of it will be given even more help by others. People who act like you do towards all the help they're given or offered don't deserve to keep getting the attention of others if your intention is to nothing with it but shoot it down and whine and complain that "I've never really received it :cry: " when it's crystal clear to all who are reading this that people ALL AROUND THE WORLD are offering their help to you.

Sorry, but there's just no pleasant way to communicate those points to you. Hopefully getting a bit of a blast makes you realize just how lucky you are & how good you have it with all the social system resources and online advice you keep getting despite your absolutely inexcusable miserable reaction to it.

edit: This was my 5,000th post. Yay! :D


You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "

What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.

Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

11 Dec 2017, 10:47 pm

Probably in Santa Cruz, CA



goldfish21
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada

11 Dec 2017, 10:53 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
You said "You're receiving more help than MOST PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET right now & you're completely ungrateful for it and that's, quite frankly, disgusting. "

What you said here is pure BS. Here is why. For him to be grateful others have to suffer. It's BS for someone to derive their virtue from someone else's suffering.

Yes, he should appreciate what others choose to do for him and the advice he has received. I would appreciate it but not be grateful because it requires others to suffer for one's gratitude. Appreciation to me is a virtue and Gratitude to me is not a virtue but an evil vice disguised as a virtue.


It seems that your calling my words "BS" is based on some sort of misunderstanding of the definitions of the words grateful & gratitude. Nowhere in their definitions, or my understanding of them, is anyone's suffering a requirement. :?

The Dictionary wrote:
grate·ful
ˈɡrātfəl/Submit
adjective
feeling or showing an appreciation of kindness; thankful.
"I'm very grateful to you for all your help"
synonyms: thankful, appreciative; More
archaic
received or experienced with gratitude; welcome.
"enjoying the grateful shade"

grat·i·tude
ˈɡradəˌt(y)o͞od/Submit
noun
noun: gratitude
the quality of being thankful; readiness to show appreciation for and to return kindness.
"she expressed her gratitude to the committee for their support"
synonyms: gratefulness, thankfulness, thanks, appreciation, indebtedness; More


_________________
No :heart: for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.