Report about successes for getting rid of ASD problems
This causes great mental and emotional suffering.
If I could not care so much that would be great.
Me too however I display it less visibly or awkwardly in a way they might not like or understand
So now I give lots of gifts eg to ppl i know who have been through and going through the worst possible things (eg sons therapist her story is v tragic)-
Gift giving n letting them know
Then ppl who know u well adapt to n understand how you are
And it becomes more harmonious (relationship)
Customs will vary from one country to the next. We have a friend who was from the Philippines. But we have to watch what we say around her. She is the type that whenever someone compliment anything she has, she will give it to them as a gift. Someone complimented her on her light fixture in the ceiling and she went and disconnected the wiring and removed the fixture from the ceiling and gave it to them right on the spot. This was a generous act but sometimes gift giving can be too generous.
I guess I understand "Thank You" cards and "Thinking of You" cards. I understand flowers. I give those to my wife all the time especially beautiful red roses.
Yes I saw in Middle East gift giving is a big thing- casually even, so I decided to adopt that custom for myself
it is nice to give ppl things you know they want or need-
But just cannot bring themselves to buy
Eg this lady has beautiful long blonde hair and was complaining about it breaking.
Also she is a single mom working hard - never has time to look after herself - but she often tells me she hates how she looks next to the rich ladies who are the mothers of her daughter’s Friends.
So i bought her hair serum, special ponytails that are not harsh on hair, some makeup and body lotion bcuz she complained her skin is dry.
I know i cannot connect to ppl i like on a social level to their happiness/satisfaction -
but to contribute to their lives, caring can be shown in gifts.
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The brain is able to learn even the emotional part. If you learn something new it even generates new neurons in the related regions. And for this it's like for anything else. To learn math you have to do math. To learn to read body language you have to do it. To learn to feel emotions you have to do to feel them. To learn empathy you need to do it. Simple? Yes and no. Yes because you know what you have to do now. No because there are some additional pitfalls. Once I tryed to feel more emotions towards other people I found myself to shutdown any emotions as soon as other people come near to me. It's an emotional self-protection issue for not getting emotional hurt by other people and may be the root cause of my problems and may be the one for several others.
If it comes to women the things get awkward. Shutting down emotions towards others keep also away from feeling attracted. This tells women that you don't really feel attracted even if you totally like them. On the opposite if a woman feels you being attracted to her she feels attracted herself to you. Otherwise she needs a really crush on you before to do so.
What is the way to go now? Learn to read body language and learn to feel much more emotions. Try to recognise emotions in body language and verbal language. Start to feel empathy.
For reading body language you should watch and guess how they feel and what they want to do. Try to imaginary take their position. Ask yourself what the reasons are to use that body posture and movements as the other one does. Get used to it and do it always and anywhere. You'll become trained and better over the time and you'll recognise more and more subtle details. Try it especially on places where people are much emotional. Discos, bars, festivals aso.
Try to read facial expressions of other people as well. Be aware to that you always should have a good mood if doing so. Try a smile and a kind of feeling happy for them if you look into the eyes of other people. The problem why Aspergers don't use eye contact is that we always experienced aggression once we did because looking emotionless in somebodies eyes is recognised by NT people as pure aggression. (Why does he looks such ice cold and emotionless?) If it comes to me I always thought for looking in other peoples eyes as a kind of a pure agression. And once I was young I never looked girls into their eyes because I didn't want to scare them and the girls treated it as me not being honest and didn't liked me because of that. And I didn't even knew whats wrong with me. Because of this I had really bad position and I wish somebody had told me.

How to learn to have emotions? Be aware that you may shut down emotions near other people. Once you are alone try to feel the impressions of the environment. Nice things like as your bed, nice clothing, flowers, pictures aso. Train it. Try to keep feeling emotions once people that you know get near to you and guess the emotions of other people. Try to guess the emotions of other people also while reading their body language. You can even use videos on youtube or the TV for that because the people there are distant and not near to you and can't harm you. Try always to stop yourself suppressing emotions.
Once you are able to read the body language and emotions of other people you are also getting more and more a clue their brain works and get more and more an idea whats possibly wrong with them. People may even begin to look emotional trivial to you.
A sample. I was on a autism meeting a month ago. One guy always did strange unconscious movements because he feels always unsure near to other people. The movement were just defense moves of toddlers. For me it was very clear that he was beaten once he was small.

That's quite all. I hope this thread becomes the longest and most successful thread here as soon as possible.
These are excellent points. Just have to remember not to strain ourselves to breaking point- and blame ourselves on failures-
there is only so much one person can do- the other side also has to bridge the gap!
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there is only so much one person can do- the other side also has to bridge the gap!
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Why do you think so? I would think all you need for this is a smile and a little more self-confidence. As far as I could read you don't even know your own problems. Maybe you could ask a girl friend what she thinks that it is strange on you. You need to know your problems first to handle them right.
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I’m a late diagnosed guy.
My counselor who diagnosed me (level1)said I had learned many adaptations over the years.
During my 40 year career it seemed as if my filter worked better on the job.
In the 85 days since I have to slow down before speaking or talking.
I still don’t get jokes that a group laughs at even though I give laugh & music. workshops.
I’ve mentioned before in other threads that theatre helped me starting in college.
First back stage and then on stage.
Writing ventriloquist scripts based on real situations helps in both the sharing and writing process.
Still too old to know it all.
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Why do you think so? I would think all you need for this is a smile and a little more self-confidence. As far as I could read you don't even know your own problems. Maybe you could ask a girl friend what she thinks that it is strange on you. You need to know your problems first to handle them right.
I have tried everytging n keep trying to learn
But there is a level n its the ceiling of my ability cannot go higher
n i dont connect to anyone naturally so tht both of us are at ease - even if they are from my strained efforts, I am not as i am fighting my natural way of being
The only person i connected to socially (i thought) was XH but i guess i was wrong on that too
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Still too old to know it all.
Could u possibly explain what you mean by ventriloquist scripts? Do u mean u write scripts fr puppets n then perform ?
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Exactly.
My wife and others say I become more confident on stage.
I also write impromptu blues songs that get extended later.
An example is The Walmart Long Line Blues, with harmonica riffs between lines.
I first started shopping with music and ear plugs.
Then one day I didn’t have my phone but did have a harmonica.
I play Beethoven to the Beatles.
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I have a very different kind of problem with eye contact. I have extreme difficulty multitasking between the conversation itself and paying any attention at all to any visual stimuli. I can make brief eye contact at the very beginning of a conversation, but then, once the conversation gets going, I have no idea what my eyes might appear to be looking at; I might as well be blind. For that same reason, it is extremely difficult for me to pay any attention at all to body language.
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That's certainly not how I connect to people. I make connections (with the very few compatible people I can find) on the basis of having in-depth conversations about topics of shared intense interest. How "self-confident" the other person is, or how often they smile, is largely irrelevant from my point of view, at least initially. And some of my deepest and longest-lasting friendships were made at times when I was not feeling happy or self-confident at all. (Alas, most of these friends are no longer living.)
Many years ago, one of these same friends of mine observed that I have a need to connect with people on an intellectual level before I can connect on an emotional level. To her this was odd but okay.
How most people connect is still a mystery to me.
However, even among most NT's, I would expect that "a smile and ... self-confidence" would be at most the first step in making a connection. Surely there's more to it than just that? If not, then most NT's are even more superficial than I thought.
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I would be interested to see your list of what you consider to be the five main groups of problems.

I would guess that many of the people on this board are already in therapy attempting to "cure" whatever problems they can, and come here for support regarding those problems that can't be "cured".

In my own case I think there are some things I can improve and other things I can't improve (at least not without causing myself other, worse problems).
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I checked myself once for eyecontact. On distances of few meters I spot the point between the eyes first. (upper end of the nose) This way I'm able to read the expression of both eyes at once and doing so I recognise the mood of the people and especially how they are towards me.
The opposite does the same and I know that he tries to read my mind towards him to. It's the fastest way to recognise agression and aversion towards yourself because you recognise them within parts of seconds. For this you should always try to do it in a good mood, be open and try to like him because then opposite reads you and the way that you are too and it causes him or her to feel positive or negative towards you.
Later once I talk to somebody I spot mostly the left eye (his or her right eye) but every 1-2 seconds I shortly check the other eye for a half of a second. That causes me not to stare in to one eye over a long time and looking more attentive because I check the other eye too. If I wan't to check the feelings again about something that I have just said I shortly spot the point between the eyes again well knowing that he or she knows that I do check his or her feelings. Once the communication becomes less direct and converts in to smalltalk I reduce eye contact check the shoulders and body as well half the time and also the envirenment more often. If it comes to men the things are a little bit different.
Except for checking the mood at the beginning eye contact is less important for men. Instead they care about the environment and the hands of other men. While women check each others faces and use lots of mimic and their eyes for communication man use much more gestic in a way that many women don't even recognize. Because of this most men use a different and slower and more noticeable kind of gestic towards women and small children. I think it's a relict of communication of men during hunting in stone age.
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I'm glad that this has worked for you and other people. I have had lots of different types of therapy over many years - none of it has helped me at all. But it won't work for everyone - but I am glad that it does help some people.
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Neurodiverse (Aspie) score is 183 of 200.
Neurotypical (Non-autistic) score is 31 of 200
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Would you think lots of different types of therapy would improve your skills in math or Russian? You have to learn the right things to improve.


I don't see how this makes sense - CBT is supposed to help you find new ways to overcome obstacles, for example. All I get from it is a patronising person trying to tell me what to do and how to live my life. It's not helpful in the slightest, none of it has been, and you have to realise that what works for some people won't work for all people, especially the further along the spectrum you go.
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Take car. Go to mum's. Kill Phil, grab Liz, go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for all of this to blow over. How's that for a slice of fried gold?
AQ-49 of 50
EQ-7 of 60
RDOS:
Neurodiverse (Aspie) score is 183 of 200.
Neurotypical (Non-autistic) score is 31 of 200
INTJ-T Personality type

I don't see how this makes sense - CBT is supposed to help you find new ways to overcome obstacles, for example.
That's what I sayd. They teaches how to handle the results of your problems and not how to get rid of your problems. I try a sample. You have problems to understand the nonverbal things in language correctly. CBT can't help with this because you are permanently misunderstanding others and then don't even know that you did. Because you don't even know that you got something wrong you are totally unable to handle it and any teaching how to handle this isn't worth the time effort. It can't really help you.
The main problem with the nonverbals in language is that it is hard to learn for anybody except for small children that are not even five or six years old. But your brain is able to improve if you try to learn it even if you are much elder. But instead of a CBT you need a cognitive training for hearing nonverbal stuff in the speech because you don't only need to understand the words that are sayd but you also need to hear the way something is sayd to get the intention of the one who speeks. You are for instance unable to understand irony and sarcasm if you don't recognize that the speaker just says something because he thinks it is so absurd that nobody may ever believe in it and for this he makes a joke of saying it just to show others how absurd it is. But that he is joking if he says something and that he doesn't ever believe in it is also a thing in the way he speaks and NT people are able to hear and to recognize it. But I'm sure that most people that have problems to understand the nonverbal stuff are able to improve after the right training.
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