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08 Jun 2016, 10:16 am

If you like logic, you should read someone like St Thomas Aquinas.

And other "Scholastic" philosophers.



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08 Jun 2016, 11:18 am

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Aaah....¤enlightenment¤.

For what it's worth, I've been in this position. I remember everybody yelling at me that I was being mean, and I was like "What! I'm just logical! Why are you so offended?!" Then I'd feel horribly hurt an misunderstood, and why did people take everything personally, anyway... Also, there is no demographic more likely to feel offended than teenage girls.

Me being a teenage girl could argue against that, i think that older people are easier offended generally


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08 Jun 2016, 11:40 am

I once offended a bunch of moms on Babycenter because I said that giving your babies solids too soon before they're ready can lead to child obesity because they wouldn't know what hunger is, they would be so used to having full stomachs all the time. My mom told me this information and couple other people who have studied nursing told me I am right so I know I wasn't in the wrong here or that my mom was bullshitting me. My mom's a nurse too. A former one now because she works in hospice now. But really, I think parenting is a sensitive topic so it's too easy to offend them. Everyone is on the defense and will put their guards up. You can even talk about yourself as a parent and still offend another parent because they make your comment be about them.


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08 Jun 2016, 12:04 pm

teksla wrote:
underwater wrote:
Aaah....¤enlightenment¤.

For what it's worth, I've been in this position. I remember everybody yelling at me that I was being mean, and I was like "What! I'm just logical! Why are you so offended?!" Then I'd feel horribly hurt an misunderstood, and why did people take everything personally, anyway... Also, there is no demographic more likely to feel offended than teenage girls.

Me being a teenage girl could argue against that, i think that older people are easier offended generally


Well, I was a teenage girl at the time. I can only speak for myself really, but I think that the difference in me from then to now is that then I would be easily offended and burn inside, yet say nothing because I was not able to express myself well.

Now I feel less offended, but I am more able to speak up for myself. Also, I take things less personally because I find it easier to understand the other person's perspective, and understand that it is less often about me and more often about how that other person feels. We all carry a world inside of us.


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I once offended a bunch of moms on Babycenter because I said that giving your babies solids too soon before they're ready can lead to child obesity because they wouldn't know what hunger is, they would be so used to having full stomachs all the time. My mom told me this information and couple other people who have studied nursing told me I am right so I know I wasn't in the wrong here or that my mom was bullshitting me. My mom's a nurse too. A former one now because she works in hospice now. But really, I think parenting is a sensitive topic so it's too easy to offend them. Everyone is on the defense and will put their guards up. You can even talk about yourself as a parent and still offend another parent because they make your comment be about them.


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08 Jun 2016, 12:19 pm

My experience is that lots of people are offended if you speak the truth as you see it and if they think you lying to them. I like to think that instead of being offended and agitated by something as I once was, I can now engage in some high quality sulking.

I would like to offer Sonic a virtual hug (sensory issues and distance prevent actual physical contact) we don't all have to agree and it can be difficult if your view seems to be different from most.


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08 Jun 2016, 2:34 pm

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Personally I think age isn't a factor in these conversations, but age at diagnosis will definitely have an impact.

Those diagnosed later will likely have either had long-term support for other 'issues', for want of a better word, and then had an autism diagnosis. Or, alternatively, are likely to have self-diagnosed for a period of time before being diagnosed (if, indeed, they've gone down the formal route at all).

The perspective of those diagnosed in their childhood, or teenage years, doesn't often take this into account. Since they've had input from professionals for as long as they remember, or at the very least have had someone they know suggest/agree that something might be neurologically wrong, they're unlikely to understand that for many self-diagnosis HAS to be the first step.

Of course, where age also becomes a factor is in the fact that dealing with 'invisible' conditions, and even visible disabilities, is the much more done thing now. So, younger people now will be much more aware of these conditions. Certainly when I was at school, though not that long ago relatively, autism was unheard of.


I went through the vast majority of my life without any type of professional or government support. Unless we were really "crazy" we were experted to deal with it and not bother anybody else with our "personal s**t".

From what I have noticed here and elsewhere people that view Autism as mostly impairments or as a curse are approximatly age 30 to 35 or younger. Within this demographic is a sub group the Autism as mosly a gift to supremacists. Boomers from what I have seen tend to see it as bit of both. The biggist difference in how the ages view things is the idea the Autism is trendy, over-diagnosed. The notion is for the most part is completely baffling to most of us old farts.

Demegraphic trends have noticing to do with individuals. Two of of the well known "neurodiversity" advocates Alex Plank and Ari Neeman are in their 20's. The most well known anti neurodiversity advocate Jonathan Mitchell is around age 60.


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08 Jun 2016, 3:15 pm

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The personal commentary RE myself is here for all to see.

Trying to establish my age etc is ridiculous, and a complete collapse of any form of logical thought.

If you're capable of addressing an issue, I'll address the issue.

Addressing the individual in the manner demonstrated in this thread is a simple ad hominem.


The same 'defences' are also arising i.e. 'sometimes the professionals get it wrong' (which was addressed earlier in the thread, and shown in terms of logic why it is a baseless fallacy).

The issue of age was also discussed.


Using the same lines of reasoning that have been shown to be fallacious speaks more of any individual than it does of me personally.


I'm not here to defend myself personally, nor do I need to defend myself personally.


The personal attack is ridiculous. I expect apologies.







Turning the subject into a personal commentary shows a complete failure, at a base level.
Nobody on this thread has attacked you personally. Nobody needs to apologize to you for anything. If you believe you have been personally attacked, you are free to report it to the forum moderators. There is a report button on every post. You can report any post you like.


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08 Jun 2016, 3:17 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
For some reason, I think Sonic is in his 30s.


No, officially sonic the hedgehog is 15 but in some games and comics that fluxuates between 16 and 15.

But if you want to be technical he's going to be 25 on the 23rd
Good one! I actually did not know that about Sonic the Hedgehog. BTW, I love hedgehogs! :D


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08 Jun 2016, 3:26 pm

I was not asking Sonic his age because it has anything to do with diagnosis. I was asking him his age because I was making an effort to understand him which would help me understand where some of his responses were coming from. People of different ages and experiences will respond differently about certain things and if I have a better understanding of where someone is coming from from that regard, I will understand more what he is saying. I just need to understand what to expect in interactions with him so that I can decide how to respond in my mind and in my heart towards this person. But I think he has made it pretty clear.


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I went through the vast majority of my life without any type of professional or government support. Unless we were really "crazy" we were experted to deal with it and not bother anybody else with our "personal s**t".

From what I have noticed here and elsewhere people that view Autism as mostly impairments or as a curse are approximatly age 30 to 35 or younger. Within this demographic is a sub group the Autism as mosly a gift to supremacists. Boomers from what I have seen tend to see it as bit of both. The biggist difference in how the ages view things is the idea the Autism is trendy, over-diagnosed. The notion is for the most part is completely baffling to most of us old farts.

Demegraphic trends have noticing to do with individuals. Two of of the well known "neurodiversity" advocates Alex Plank and Ari Neeman are in their 20's. The most well known anti neurodiversity advocate Jonathan Mitchell is around age 60.


Thank you for sharing your perspective on this. This is something that's been buzzing around my brain but I've not been able to see it clearly.

I've always felt incredulous about the idea that anyone would want an autism diagnosis if they didn't need it. Perhaps it is an issue among the younger generation. In that case those people don't know what they are getting into.

I'm not your age, but I understand completely where you're coming from. Perhaps there is some acceptance of autistic people in the younger demographic that makes them think this acceptance exists among older people?

I remember accidentally getting stuck waiting with an older colleague, and I ended up listening to her talking - I think she was going through a hard time. She had a son with Aspergers who had started at a new high school, with a bunch of academically gifted kids. She was almost crying when she said he had friends for the first time in his life.

I don't know what I am trying to say with this; maybe that a diagnosis and some supports is not a magic wand that will fix all things, and that this is perhaps one of the reasons the older people are not so focused on it?


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League_Girl wrote:
I once offended a bunch of moms on Babycenter because I said that giving your babies solids too soon before they're ready can lead to child obesity because they wouldn't know what hunger is, they would be so used to having full stomachs all the time. My mom told me this information and couple other people who have studied nursing told me I am right so I know I wasn't in the wrong here or that my mom was bullshitting me. My mom's a nurse too. A former one now because she works in hospice now. But really, I think parenting is a sensitive topic so it's too easy to offend them. Everyone is on the defense and will put their guards up. You can even talk about yourself as a parent and still offend another parent because they make your comment be about them.


Oooh. Mommy groups. Don't get me started. It's a mine field. The stakes are enormous. Who wants to be the bad mom? Seriously, I think mommy bloggers are the biggest masochists in this world.

I'm an old biddy magnet; old women take one look at my face and zoom over to give me childcare advice from the fifties.
First time mommies are the worst.


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08 Jun 2016, 4:18 pm

I went back and forth for a long time debating whether or not to get a formal diagnosis. It was a huge struggle for me and honestly, if the opportunity had not come up for me to have it done free of charge, I probably would not have gotten it. I am glad I did and it has enabled me to have some opportunities that I could not have had without it. For example, I just started a job today. This is my first mainstream job in 12 years. It's just two days a week at just a hair over minimum wage but that is probably all my body and brain can handle. But at least it's something. And because of my diagnosis I was able to get in through OVR and any accommodations I need will be made for me. And now I can hopefully get medical insurance for disabled workers even though I am not 100% sure that I will be able to. And I get to see a psychologist 45 minutes a month. I am very grateful for that. But other than that, and the assurance that I will never be kicked out of Special Olympics for that reason, having an official diagnosis has not really changed anything in my life.

If I had had one while I was in school, things would have been different for me at school and that might have dramatically changed my life. But other than the things I mentioned, I am not going to be eligible for any help with Autism because of my age. And I have never had any help with Autism before. So for boomers who have made it this far, I don't think we tend to see diagnosis as part of a club, or as a way to get services and therapies. Yes, there are a few services that might be of help to us like the ones I got are helping me but there is really not going to be a whole lot out there and those services are not going to be available in every town. So I think the whole feel of what it means to have a diagnosis is very different than for someone who has grown up with it. I think it's very sober. That is the word that comes to mind.


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I went back and forth for a long time debating whether or not to get a formal diagnosis. It was a huge struggle for me and honestly, if the opportunity had not come up for me to have it done free of charge, I probably would not have gotten it. I am glad I did and it has enabled me to have some opportunities that I could not have had without it. For example, I just started a job today. This is my first mainstream job in 12 years. And because of my diagnosis I was able to get in through OVR and any accommodations I need will be made for me. And now I can hopefully get medical insurance for disabled workers even though I am not 100% sure that I will be able to. And I get to see a psychologist 45 minutes a month. I am very grateful for that. But other than that, and the assurance that I will never be kicked out of Special Olympics for that reason, having an official diagnosis has not really changed anything in my life.

If I had had one while I was in school, things would have been different for me at school and that might have dramatically changed my life. But other than the things I mentioned, I am not going to be eligible for any help with Autism because of my age. And I have never had any help with Autism before. So for boomers who have made it this far, I don't think we tend to see diagnosis as part of a club, or as a way to get services and therapies. Yes, there are a few services that might be of help to us like the ones I got are helping me but there is really not going to be a whole lot out there and those services are not going to be available in every town. So I think the whole feel of what it means to have a diagnosis is very different than for someone who has grown up with it. I think it's very sober. That is the word that comes to mind.

All good reasons to pursue a diagnosis. :D


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I went back and forth for a long time debating whether or not to get a formal diagnosis. It was a huge struggle for me and honestly, if the opportunity had not come up for me to have it done free of charge, I probably would not have gotten it. I am glad I did and it has enabled me to have some opportunities that I could not have had without it. For example, I just started a job today. This is my first mainstream job in 12 years. And because of my diagnosis I was able to get in through OVR and any accommodations I need will be made for me. And now I can hopefully get medical insurance for disabled workers even though I am not 100% sure that I will be able to. And I get to see a psychologist 45 minutes a month. I am very grateful for that. But other than that, and the assurance that I will never be kicked out of Special Olympics for that reason, having an official diagnosis has not really changed anything in my life.

If I had had one while I was in school, things would have been different for me at school and that might have dramatically changed my life. But other than the things I mentioned, I am not going to be eligible for any help with Autism because of my age. And I have never had any help with Autism before. So for boomers who have made it this far, I don't think we tend to see diagnosis as part of a club, or as a way to get services and therapies. Yes, there are a few services that might be of help to us like the ones I got are helping me but there is really not going to be a whole lot out there and those services are not going to be available in every town. So I think the whole feel of what it means to have a diagnosis is very different than for someone who has grown up with it. I think it's very sober. That is the word that comes to mind.

All good reasons to pursue a diagnosis. :D
For sure! :D


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I went back and forth for a long time debating whether or not to get a formal diagnosis. It was a huge struggle for me and honestly, if the opportunity had not come up for me to have it done free of charge, I probably would not have gotten it. I am glad I did and it has enabled me to have some opportunities that I could not have had without it. For example, I just started a job today. This is my first mainstream job in 12 years. It's just two days a week at just a hair over minimum wage but that is probably all my body and brain can handle. But at least it's something. And because of my diagnosis I was able to get in through OVR and any accommodations I need will be made for me. And now I can hopefully get medical insurance for disabled workers even though I am not 100% sure that I will be able to. And I get to see a psychologist 45 minutes a month. I am very grateful for that. But other than that, and the assurance that I will never be kicked out of Special Olympics for that reason, having an official diagnosis has not really changed anything in my life.

If I had had one while I was in school, things would have been different for me at school and that might have dramatically changed my life. But other than the things I mentioned, I am not going to be eligible for any help with Autism because of my age. And I have never had any help with Autism before. So for boomers who have made it this far, I don't think we tend to see diagnosis as part of a club, or as a way to get services and therapies. Yes, there are a few services that might be of help to us like the ones I got are helping me but there is really not going to be a whole lot out there and those services are not going to be available in every town. So I think the whole feel of what it means to have a diagnosis is very different than for someone who has grown up with it. I think it's very sober. That is the word that comes to mind.


Brilliantly worded.